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    Hi all,

    i need advice. Perhaps the comparation is apples to oranges, but im not sure. I can buy Splendor Unico for 1000€ (2070AUD) and La Spaziale S1 Vivaldi II for 1400€ (2900AUD). Do you think that S1 really worth the difference?

    Thanks to all.  

    (sorry for my english, its not my native language)

  • #2
    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    Hi Oton,

    your English is much better than my Spanish Have a read of this current thread http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1223394242 I am in a similar situation at present and was looking at the differences or benifits between Double Boilers (La Spaz) compared with Hx types (Splendor, Giotto etc.)

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    • #3
      Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

      Originally posted by WotB link=1223757405/0#1 date=1223770714
       If youre making coffees at home, and just want something that looks schmick on the bench, the splendor is the goods.
      ahm... You mean that Splendor is only useful to look cool? :-/


      beanflying: much thanks. Reading...

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      • #4
        Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

        hi oton.
        what nunu said. theyre two dirrent types of machine (and a different class i would say - and this is reflected in their prices).

        the la spaziale is a commercial machine built ot high standards.
        the unico is a prosumer machine built to (slightly less) high standards.

        the la spaziale should last you longer and be more reliable than the unico.
        if you have the money, and are happy to spend it, then id say its worth going to the la spaziale.
        if youd rather buy a better or new grinder, then maybe get the unico and a nice grinder to get the most out of your coffee.

        let us know what you decide and send in some pics too!

        aaron

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        • #5
          Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

          Originally posted by oton link=1223757405/0#0 date=1223757405
          Hi all,

          i need advice. Perhaps the comparation is apples to oranges, but im not sure. I can buy Splendor Unico for 1000€ (2070AUD) and La Spaziale S1 Vivaldi II for 1400€ (2900AUD). Do you think that S1 really worth the difference?

          Thanks to all.  

          (sorry for my english, its not my native language)
          Hi and Welcome oton

          Is your future machine for home or cafe use (you are a barista in training)
          The question is how many cups of coffee you will make per day
          If it is 10-15 + then-
          In reality the La Spaziale S1 Vivaldi II is a better machine but it will be overkill if you don’t use it to its full potential
          The one good thing about the La Spaziale even older ones is they can be upgraded with new circuit boards and software to make them the new version.

          If you want to future proof yourself and can see more coffee machine use in the future then the La Spaziale might be the way to go

          If you start with one of the best machines now you will save money later
          This will also save you from the upgrade bug

          Hope my answer helps

          KK


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          • #6
            Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

            Not to be rude, but have any of the posters in this thread actually used the machines that they are giving advice about? Or are the comments just based on regurgitated accepted wisdom and generalisations?

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            • #7
              Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

              Originally posted by luca link=1223757405/0#6 date=1223791061
              Not to be rude, but have any of the posters in this thread actually used the machines that they are giving advice about?  Or are the comments just based on regurgitated accepted wisdom and generalisations?

              Luca, Im loving your refreshing scepticism and honesty lately

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              • #8
                Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

                Originally posted by Pioneer Roaster link=1223757405/0#7 date=1223794246
                Luca, Im loving your refreshing scepticism and honesty lately
                Me too..... Good on you Luca 8-)

                Hi oton, and welcome to CoffeeSnobs mate...

                The best advice I could give you is to contact one or more of our Site Sponsors (all the links are on the L/H side of the page) and present your coffee requirements to them. Better yet, if you know of some reputable specialist retailers closer to home, then I would contact them or even better, visit them and see if you can grab a hands on demonstration..... Nothing like first hand experience under the watchful eye of an experienced professional to help you.

                Cheers mate and all the best with your hunt for a machine,

                Mal.

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                • #9
                  Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

                  Originally posted by luca link=1223757405/0#6 date=1223791061
                  Not to be rude, but have any of the posters in this thread actually used the machines that they are giving advice about?  Or are the comments just based on regurgitated accepted wisdom and generalisations?
                  um, my comments were largely regurgitating accepted wisdom from he who has some - chris at talk coffee.

                  and secondly, Luca if you were offered one of the two machines above, which would you opt for?  

                  not to be rude either  :-*

                  aaron

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                  • #10
                    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

                    I try not to regurgitate accepted wisdom and generalisations but when I do offer an opinion on a machine Ive had no experience on, its after enough research for me to feel comfortable that Im not passing on bad information.

                    I think most CSs are only trying to help.

                    If the OP always had to wait for an answer from someone with hands on experience of both machines being compared, hell might freeze over in the interim.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

                      I have used them both,

                      One is a very good prosumer machine. The other is a one group dual boiler rotary pump commercial machine which needs to be plumbed in. One looks terrific, the other is naturally more industrial. Both are capable of producing an outstanding cup.

                      Rather than go into comparisons of HX v dual boiler (because we really need yet another :), perhaps you would be better to spend some time in serious consideration of what your needs are and what you really want :-?

                      For mine, a discussion of merits of presso v GS3 would be almost as easy and just as useful...

                      Good shopping luck!

                      2mcm

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                      • #12
                        Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

                        Originally posted by Thundergod link=1223757405/0#9 date=1223809271
                        If the OP always had to wait for an answer from someone with hands on experience of both machines being compared, hell might freeze over in the interim.
                        It seems like you are trying to say that passing on questionable information is preferable to passing on no information at all.

                        I certainly agree that everyone has the best intentions and Im not saying that people shouldnt post; merely that they should disclose the basis upon which they have come to a conclusion so that the OP can make their own assessment.

                        There are two problems with "accepted wisdom" posts. The first is that "accepted wisdom" is often total baloney. Recall, for example, that only a few years ago, everyone "knew" that you have to rap your PF with your tamper multiple times; now everyone "knows" that doing that is likely to fracture your puck and cause channelling. The second is that forum readers seem to take the number of times that something is repeated as a measure of the reliability of the information - makes sense, given that they have little information about the poster to go on.

                        If people dont disclose the basis upon which they make their posts, both the OP and other posters are left in the dark. The OP has no way of working out which sources of information are more reliable. Other posters have no way of knowing whether or not the "accepted wisdom" has already been regurgitated, so they post it up as well and exacerbate the problem.

                        Any forum would become much more reliable if there were a rule that posters must disclose the basis upon which they drew their conclusions, save in the case that it is obvious.

                        and secondly, Luca if you were offered one of the two machines above, which would you opt for? Wink

                        not to be rude either kiss
                        If I were offered one of the two machines, I would take the Spaziale because (a) I could re-sell it for more and (b) the machine that I currently have is relatively similar to the Unico and Id take the opportunity of a free machine to try something new and different. Of course, that gives you no information as to which machine anyone else would want to purchase ;P

                        Im trying to avoid posting things about specific machines, purely because the second that I imply that one machine is inferior to another I usually get a whole bunch of irate complaints. Why on earth anyone cares what I post is totally beyond me.

                        The one thing that I would observe on the subject is that if you were shopping for one of the two machines and got a chance to use them, it would make sense to include a halfway house machine between the two, such as the expobar brewtus.

                        For mine, a discussion of merits of presso v GS3 would be almost as easy and just as useful...
                        Yeaah! Lets do that!

                        Cheers,

                        Luca

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                        • #13
                          Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

                          luca - you humility is admirable.
                          if your opinions didnt count, trust me - thered be no irate complaints coming your way.

                          i think that other coffee forums suffer more from the inevitable fate of which you speak.

                          typically something resembling - my machine rocks. great steam and consistently great microfoam in no time at all - krups novo....

                          actually, reading about the minores steaming abilities was what got me hooked initially. but then yeeza mentioned that he was blown away by a prosumer HX. So i totally understand your points of view regarding passing on info that isnt first hand.

                          and i simultaneously understand TGs points of view too.

                          some gently worded scepticism once in a while may help to keep things on track. can we appoint you luca?

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                          • #14
                            Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

                            Originally posted by luca link=1223757405/0#11 date=1223863945
                            Originally posted by Thundergod link=1223757405/0#9 date=1223809271
                            If the OP always had to wait for an answer from someone with hands on experience of both machines being compared, hell might freeze over in the interim.
                            It seems like you are trying to say that passing on questionable information is preferable to passing on no information at all.
                            Luca I dont see how you infer that from what you quoted of my post.

                            Read again what I DID say about what I post.

                            Originally posted by Thundergod link=1223757405/0#9 date=1223809271
                            I try not to regurgitate accepted wisdom and generalisations but when I do offer an opinion on a machine Ive had no experience on, its after enough research for me to feel comfortable that Im not passing on bad information.
                            Please remember Im an auditor and even though I come here to relax and usually dont write in a formal way and lean towards a laconic reply, I am by nature a picky bastard and wont purposely perpetuate unproven "facts".

                            I think CS raises the standard of knowledge as opposed to regurgitating the same old same old.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

                              Originally posted by Thundergod link=1223757405/0#13 date=1223865006
                              Originally posted by luca link=1223757405/0#11 date=1223863945
                              Originally posted by Thundergod link=1223757405/0#9 date=1223809271
                              If the OP always had to wait for an answer from someone with hands on experience of both machines being compared, hell might freeze over in the interim.
                              It seems like you are trying to say that passing on questionable information is preferable to passing on no information at all.
                              Luca I dont see how you infer that from what you quoted of my post.

                              Read again what I DID say about what I post.

                              Originally posted by Thundergod link=1223757405/0#9 date=1223809271
                              I try not to regurgitate accepted wisdom and generalisations but when I do offer an opinion on a machine Ive had no experience on, its after enough research for me to feel comfortable that Im not passing on bad information.
                              Please remember Im an auditor and even though I come here to relax and usually dont write in a formal way and lean towards a laconic reply, I am by nature a picky bastard and wont purposely perpetuate unproven "facts".
                              Your post implies that it is preferable to regurgitate accepted wisdom about something with which you have no specific experience in situations in which it seems that information based on actual experience will not be forthcoming in a reasonable time. Its true to say that I was rather cheeky and uncharitable in paraphrasing you as I did, but I dont think that its too inaccurate.

                              I have no specific instances of anything that you have posted in mind, but my point is that the poster ought to be able to determine for themselves whether or not to accept conclusions offered as reliable. At a minimum, they need the information upon which it is based in order to be able to make a meaningful judgement for themself. You seem to state that it is acceptable for you to make up your mind based on research (presumably reading forums) as to what you are comfortable is not bad information. This is where I think we disagree.

                              I think that rather than passing on your conclusion, you should pass on your research and let the person who has posted draw their own conclusion.

                              It also looks to me as though you put more stock in things that are written online than I do.

                              I think CS raises the standard of knowledge as opposed to regurgitating the same old same old.
                              CS certainly puts information and opinion about expensive espresso machines out there and some of that information is very good and very useful.

                              I think that there is a lot of regurgitation of the same old same old. People can keep on doing it if they like, but it would be nice if they attributed their opinion to a source.

                              Cheers,

                              Luca

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