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    Hi all,

    Just wanted to announce that I am the lucky buyer of peppinos BFC/Diadema Junior Semi-auto and it looks amazing! Weighs an absolute tonne too! (pics below!)

    Any advice/tips would be much appreciated from other BFC/Diadema owners and e-61 owners in general.. shes a little daunting compared to the Silvia!!

    Looking forward to contributing to the HX forums!!!  8-)

    My experience so far:

    The first two attempts I choked it, third one took a while but its wonderful, no trace of bitterness, makes the veneziano estate beans feel soft and silky. Pressure is set at 1.2, just wondering what other people have it set at?

    I can see that I might need a stepless grinder right now...

    Any tips regarding temperature etc, Im so used to having a PID to look at to make sure Im right on. I guess the HX-factor takes care of all of that?

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    Re: My new setup: BFC/Diadema Junior Semi-auto!

    Gday Andrew,
    congratulations on your new acquisition. Whilst not a BFC/Diadema owner (Giotto premium here) there are some good tips to be had in the "E61 brewing tips" which is a sticky topic near the top of this thread.
    Enjoy your new machine, Im sure youll get a lot of enjoyment out of it.
    All the best,
    Steve.

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    • #3
      Re: My new setup: BFC/Diadema Junior Semi-auto!

      Thanks lovey, Ive had a read through that. If anything these machines seem more easy/basic than the silvia - which makes sense when you think about it!!

      Here are some quick shots from my phone:





      Damn fingerprints!! was so shiny before I started playing...

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      • #4
        Re: My new setup: BFC/Diadema Junior Semi-auto!

        Very nice pick-up, Andrew. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

        Re the grinder - by all accounts (and from my playing with one using a Giotto) the Rocky is quite capable. I also use a stepped grinder and for minute adjustments use a different Scottie Callaghan dosing tool (to slightly raise or lower the dose level). Does it for me.

        Greg

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        • #5
          Re: My new setup: BFC/Diadema Junior Semi-auto!

          Nice machine [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
          Enjoy the coffee!

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          • #6
            Re: My new setup: BFC/Diadema Junior Semi-auto!

            Wow - this machine is amazing!!!

            The quality of the espresso is the biggest stand out. Im blown away by how much of a step up it is actually. Oodles of golden-syrup consistency caramelly crema that looks like it will never stop.. and so sweet and soft tasting.

            Milk-wise Im having some trouble getting decent microfoam. Is it worth changing to a single-hole tip - this two hole is putting me off... - making what I call airport milk - too many large bubbles.

            Mind you Ive only used it twice. Steam pressure is great but not significantly stronger than miss silvia - is this related to the 1.2 bar setting?

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            • #7
              Re: My new setup: BFC/Diadema Junior Semi-auto!

              Nice set up Mate.
              I blocked one hole up on the VBM and no problems since then but people here who have the same unit will give better advice.
              Enjoy CB

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              • #8
                Re: My new setup: BFC/Diadema Junior Semi-auto!

                Ive got a BFC with the 2 hole steam tip.

                It took me a few litres of milk to discover the knack for getting consistent microfoam.

                My method is: start with the wand on the side of the jug (fully in) - turn steam to full - raise to surface and foam for a second or two - then plunge but dont whirlpool (i always spilt over the side doing this) - use a rolling motion (described below) until the milk is hot.

                The rolling motion has been discussed before. This is how I do it... Aim the wand towards yourself into the bottom corner (yes I know its a circle) of the jug. The milk should come up the wall of the jug and then roll back over itself toward the wand.


                Hope this helps.

                ps. Nice machine

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                • #9
                  Re: My new setup: BFC/Diadema Junior Semi-auto!

                  Ive come across an excellent review (this machine is called la valentina in the states) by a guy called Dan Kehn (though of the american 110v model) that includes this nugget on steaming:

                  The biggest difference I notice in comparison to Silvia is that the steam pressure is constant, that is, no hills and valleys. With Silvias stock one-hole tip and in its "perfect steam" zone, Silvias velocity is greater. However Valentinas two-hole output is about 75% of Silvias one hole "perfect steam" output and theres no spittle at all. Silvia is a very competent steamer but requires a fair amount of finesse and attention to the boiler cycle. While La Valentina will produce slightly stronger steam pressure when the boiler element is on, it isnt critical.

                  Dans test results on his valentina using 10 ounces of liquid: 42s / 11oz and then later just under 60sec with less pressure (9.5 bar)

                  For comparison, the values below are from the Whole Latte Love website for ten ounces (time / total liquid):

                    ECM Giotto  -  56s / 11.75oz
                    ECM Giotto Premium  -   51s / 11.5oz
                    Expobar Control  -   81s / 11oz
                    Pasquini Livia  -   39s / 11.5oz
                    Rancilio S24  -   42s / 11.5oz
                    Salvatore  -   49s / 12oz
                    Solis SL70  -   83s / 13oz


                  Interesting! He suggests I will have a dryer, more consistent steam, not necessarily as much velocity. Thats pretty much how it feels!

                  For anyone interested and for those who find this later thread searching for information on this machine - check http://coffeegeek.com/reviews/commercial/valentina/dan_kehn and more generally http://coffeegeek.com/reviews/commercial/valentina/. At the moment rated 9.5/10 based on 11 reviews

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                  • #10
                    Re: My new setup: BFC/Diadema Junior Semi-auto!

                    Originally posted by 003933333F3C3F1C31242435500 link=1244773764/7#7 date=1244790509
                    Ive got a BFC with the 2 hole steam tip.

                    It took me a few litres of milk to discover the knack for getting consistent microfoam.

                    My method is: start with the wand on the side of the jug (fully in) - turn steam to full - raise to surface and foam for a second or two - then plunge but dont whirlpool (i always spilt over the side doing this) - use a rolling motion (described below) until the milk is hot.

                    The rolling motion has been discussed before. This is how I do it... Aim the wand towards yourself into the bottom corner (yes I know its a circle) of the jug.  The milk should come up the wall of the jug and then roll back over itself toward the wand.


                    Hope this helps.

                    ps. Nice machine
                    Hi PiccoloLatte

                    Thanks so much - that is a great help. Ill be sure to try that technique. The steam certainly feels different to the silvia - more airy and vague if that makes sense. Im sure it is a matter of getting used to a different system and developing the technique - of rolling.. I think its going to take me more than two litres... thanks again

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                    • #11
                      Re: My new setup: BFC/Diadema Junior Semi-auto!

                      Excellent combo andrew..... 8-)

                      If you are concerned about Rockys ability to be adjusted in small enough steps, why not apply the so-called Stepless Mod that a lot of Rocky owners swear by. This will allow you to infinitely adjust the grind to suit any beans....

                      Mal.

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                      • #12
                        Re: My new setup: BFC/Diadema Junior Semi-auto!

                        Originally posted by 123F3B373A560 link=1244773764/10#10 date=1244800288
                        Excellent combo andrew..... 8-)

                        If you are concerned about Rockys ability to be adjusted in small enough steps, why not apply the so-called Stepless Mod that a lot of Rocky owners swear by. This will allow you to infinitely adjust the grind to suit any beans....

                        Mal.
                        Thanks Mal, and thank you also for your review of the junior extra and comments in the sale post, they were highly influential..

                        I think BCF/diadema are quite underrated - there arent thousands of posts but everything I read was absolutely full of praise, with very few even minor criticisms. It seems bcf machines are much more popular outside australia. From what I read the parts are nearly all full commercial quality and shes built like a tank 8-)

                        Anyway Ive had about ten coffees so far so should stop. The last couple were a bit bitter despite backflushing etc..(dont understand why?)

                        Re Rocky Ill look into the stepless mod - it might be time! But do you think a $500-750 grinder would make a big difference in the cup? thats what Im wondering about..

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                        • #13
                          Re: My new setup: BFC/Diadema Junior Semi-auto!

                          Originally posted by 2C23293F283A4D0 link=1244773764/11#11 date=1244804279
                          I think BCF/diadema are quite underrated - there arent thousands of posts but everything I read was absolutely full of praise, with very few even minor criticisms. It seems bcf machines are much more popular outside australia. From what I read the parts are nearly all full commercial quality and shes built like a tank  8-)
                          Indeed Daniel.... [smiley=happy.gif]

                          I dont think its so much a matter of being under-rated, more that they dont receive the marketing promotion that others do. As you say, they are very highly thought of in Europe generally and perhaps as a result of this they (BCF) dont see the need for large promotional campaigns. They will certainly make their mark in Australia though, just a matter of time and for the word of mouth impressions to gather momentum.

                          Originally posted by 2C23293F283A4D0 link=1244773764/11#11 date=1244804279
                          Re Rocky Ill look into the stepless mod - it might be time! But do you think a $500-750 grinder would make a big difference in the cup? thats what Im wondering about..
                          To be quite honest Daniel, I think with the above mentioned Mod in place, you would be very hard pressed to identify a difference between the Rocky and any other small commercial grinder like a Mazzer Mini, Macap M4/M5 or Compak K3. So long as the burr-plates are being held in accurate relationship to each other throughout the range of grind settings one uses, thats all that needs to happen. The burr-plates fitted to a Rocky are high grade commercial quality units and as such, will not let you down.

                          Post Mod, the sorts of things that might encourage you to look for a more up-market grinder would be, e.g. time to grind a dose, moving to a Doser-Grinder, ergonomics, visual appeal, etc etc.... If quality in the cup is your main arbiter though, I dont think the Rocky will let you down.... 8-)

                          Cheers,
                          Mal.

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                          • #14
                            Re: My new setup: BFC/Diadema Junior Semi-auto!

                            ;D My coffees now are so soft that Im actually finding milk-based drinks a little too milky, even with a good 30-35ml of rich espresso. The lack of bitterness/sharpness in the espresso means that milk is redundant and in fact gets in the way!

                            I can see that in order to regularly enjoy and drink espresso this is the kind of machine you want.

                            Weve really become so dependent on milk to mask bad coffee. Now it is masking good coffee!!!

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                            • #15
                              Re: My new setup: BFC/Diadema Junior Semi-auto!

                              Andrew,

                              Now you know why so many of us here who enjoy milk drinks have moved to the "piccolo latté"--a coffee drink of between 90 and 130 ml total, and often with a doppio ristretto as a base.

                              Greg

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