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    Hi guys,

    Im wondering if you can assist me in picking out an upgrade to my Sunbeam EM6910 & EM0480 combo.  Upgraditis has set in and with Kevins bonus still not spent, Im looking to do my part in stimulating the economy and get something thats a bit easier (and less messy!) to get good coffee out of My budget is about $3k for the machine with about $1k set aside for a good grinder to complement.

    The machine would be used almost exclusively for milk-based coffee drinks about 2-3 times a day and a little bit more often on the weekends. Id also like something that is forgiving in regards to technique as while Id be willing to put in the effort to refine my coffee making process, Id like the rest of the family (who probably wouldnt be willing to put in quite so much time) to still be able to make a decent latte

    Due to a lack of suitable bench space in the kitchen the machine and grinder will be residing on an island bench opposite the kitchen, so a nice big water tank thats safe and easy to fill to avoid having to go back and forth to the kitchen to refill it will be a big help. Same would apply with the drip tray; a good sized and well made drip tray (no leaks!) is also a must

    Im also a bit of a nit picker when it comes to build quality, so Im after something that is solid and well put together both on the inside and on the outside with good attention to detail. I also want this to be the last major coffee machine related purchase I make, so Id like the machine to be able to last for many many years, so something thats built like a tank with reliable and made with high quality parts and will be easily serviced for the foreseeable future would be great

    After spending a lot of time reading the opinions on this forum and visiting the sponsors sites, I think Ive narrowed down the list of machines that I think offer what Im after:

    - Diadema Junior Extra
    - Bezerra Domus Galatea
    - Rocket Giotto Premium Plus

    All of the above machines above have received glowing endorsements on these forums, but all the machines seem to offer something attractive that makes deciding between them extremely difficult The Bezerra Domus Galatea has a nice big (and from what Ive read, easy to fill) 4L water tank, Mals description of of the Diadema Junior Extras superior build quality in his review left me highly impressed and from what Ive heard the Giotto Premium Plus has great steam and is very forgiving in regards to technique. I did at one stage have the Vibemme Domobar Super Lever on my list, but the machine is unfortunately too deep for the space where the machine will reside

    Any ideas or suggestions on which of the above machines (or indeed any machine that I dont have on my short list) that would best fit my needs? Also, Any additional information on how the machines compare to each other in terms of steam, quality of internal parts, build quality, quality of finish, reliability etc. would be much appreciated also


    Yikes, that took longer than expected to type Looking forward to hearing your thoughts!


    Tim

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    Re: Need help deciding

    [QUOTE=35000D0A3E220E07070404610 link=1245399321/1#1 date=1245399897]
    Originally posted by 360B0F3D2A620 link=1245399321/0#0 date=1245399321
    Hi guys,

    Im wondering if you can assist me in picking out an upgrade to my Sunbeam EM6910 & EM0480 combo.....<snip>

    Tim
    Hi Tim and welcome to CS,

    You have a terrific short list there and you will be delighted with whichever machine you ultimately choose.

    They all make great coffee, all are easy to fill, the GPP and Diadema have cool touch wands and the Extra is the only one on a stainless chassis. They all have lots of fans.

    Choose the one you like, match it with something like a Macap M4D or similar and you will have the perfect home setup.

    One to consider  :-?. Any chance of plumbing in? If so, look VERY closely at the Giotto Professional (GPP with rotary pump, 2 gauges and drained drip tray). I have today popped one on the bench at home and am very impressed. It may well displace my beloved ECM Veneziano S1- and thats a massive statement I thought Id never make...

    Wed love to be in the running for your purchase and will do our best to assist- regardless of where you ultimately purchase.

    Chris

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    • #3
      Re: Need help deciding

      Welcome Tim... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

      As Chris says, these are all great machines but the only way to really find out which one is for you, is to try and grab a hands-on Demo with each of the machines, pull a couple of shots on each one and then see which one fits you the best....

      Mal.

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      • #4
        Re: Need help deciding

        Hi
        Good short list, when i was looking for a machine i did a short list and came up with a giotto fortunately i knew someone with a coffee machine and found out after i had made the decision that it was also a giotto so i knew a little back ground (not really that much though) before purchasing.

        Visit a sponsor and take a look at them, dont decide via a brochure you need to see the unit. Not sure where you are but if in Melb just contact Talk Coffee

        This is a big decision, according to my wife unit it was a mid life crisis for me but then again she used to prefer instant but not any more.

        Good luck with your research.

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        • #5
          Re: Need help deciding

          I love the build quality of my Bezzera Galatea

          The inside is almost commercial in its parts

          The welded stainless outer shell actually comes off in one piece (no separate side/back panels) about 4 or 6 screws and its off easy as!
          Plus very easy to keep clean with no side panel seams

          Originally posted by 013C380A1D550 link=1245399321/0#0 date=1245399321
          a nice big water tank thats safe and easy to fill to avoid having to go back and forth to the kitchen to refill it will be a big help. Same would apply with the drip tray; a good sized and well made drip tray (no leaks!) is also a must  
          Re Tank filling
          A rear hinged lid opens to expose the tank
          Tank is large and easy to fill with a jug
          You can also remove the tank straight up and out. No hoses to get tangled
          To replace a full tank is also easy as it has a self centring brass coupling on the bottom

          Drip tray
          The drip tray is full to the brim with 1 litre of liquid but 750 ml is the comfortable limit

          The heavy gauge drip tray just lifts up and out very easily

          For cooling flushes I place a glass bowl under the brew head to keep water splashes to almost nothing

          Hope that helps, but if you need more info dont hesitate to ask  

          KK

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          • #6
            Re: Need help deciding

            If you have a chance to do a hands-on with these machines, that will help a great deal in deciding.

            I couldnt do that here in Adelaide and eventually went for the Diadema Jr Extra and Macap M4D almost exclusively on looks and size. I had the same problem re: the VBM Super--too deep, and my finals list was also very similar to yours.

            I am very pleased with my choices, the coffee is superb.

            Have a great time playing.

            Greg

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            • #7
              Re: Need help deciding

              So Greg, Do I understand your comment correctly in that you purchased you machine without first viewing or road testing them?

              We live 3 hours north of Adelaide, This makes it difficult in the choosing the right machine. We are a little concerned about a blind purchase.

              We like your final 3 Tim, We are leaning towards the GPP

              Wayne and Debi

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              • #8
                Re: Need help deciding

                I recently purchased my GPP without having a chance to view or road test it. Before the GPP I owned a VBM Piccolo. After a few months of use I still cant find fault with the GPP. I couldnt be happier with it.

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                • #9
                  Re: Need help deciding

                  Welcome Wayne and Debi... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

                  In reality, at this level of machine quality, they are all fantastic designs and it really only comes down to personal requirements, aesthetics and ergonomics, i.e. how one machine fits compared to another. At the business end of these machines they all do a fantastic job... Needless to say, I love my Diadema Junior Extra (DJE) and am somewhat biased but Im sure you will be immensely happy with a GPP.

                  When making my final choice, it was a very close thing for me between a GPP and a DJE since in the quality stakes they are very much on a par. Thats how it is with this class of machine, it all comes down to little things that might sway you one way or the other. Coupled with purchasing a machine from one of our esteemed Site Sponsors, is the fact that you will be very well looked after, long after the initial purchase is behind you. That is very important if you need advice about anything in the future.

                  If at all possible, try to get to a specialist retailer such as one of our sponsors, and get some hands-on experience with machines that are on your short-list. Which ever machine you decide to buy, you will be enthralled with the ease at which you will be able to pull consistently excellent espresso after some training and using only freshly roasted, high quality beans. All the best...

                  Mal.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Need help deciding

                    Yup...what he said  . For me it finally came down to 3 or 4 HX machines and at the end of the day was heavily influenced by foot print. A couple of the Diademas and GPP was a bit of a coin toss.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Need help deciding

                      Originally posted by 10263E292218002E2121283523470 link=1245399321/6#6 date=1245473716
                      So Greg, Do I understand your comment correctly in that you purchased you machine without first viewing or road testing them?

                      We live 3 hours north of Adelaide, This makes it difficult in the choosing the right machine. We are a little concerned about a blind purchase.
                      I did buy without a road test, although I was able to see all the machines--at different times and in different shops!

                      Like Buschy, I had (well, still have) a VBM Piccolo and so was familiar with the build, detail, and general looks of a quality machine. Without a hands-on I purchased the Diadema spurred by Mals review of its coffee-making, other reviews, and on the looks, which I preferred over my other options.

                      The short list above is full of high quality machines, and provided that you are in the right ballpark for you, then any of them would easily do the job.

                      At 3 hours north, I cant offer to bring a machine to you, but if you get to Adelaide then youd be welcome to have some time with the Diadema.

                      Greg

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                      • #12
                        Re: Need help deciding

                        At this stage Im kind of leaning towards the DJE; I have to agree with what Mal felt in his review; it really has a nice understated look and theres a few awfully tempting specials being run by the site sponsors this month as it would allow me to fit one of those nice Pullman tampers into the budget I know I should get out and try and see the machines in person but getting the free time seems to be a bit of a problem lately

                        I just a few more general machine questions:

                        - I understand that reverse osmosis water filtration systems should not be used under any circumstances with coffee machines, but are the other under-the-sink filters okay to use? (ours has a pre-sediment filter for rust,dirt,scale etc. and then a 2nd carbon filter for harmful chemicals but lets the good minerals through)
                        - Is there anything apart from the group seal that needs to be changed on a regular schedule? (e.g. our Sunbeam has a cartridge in the bottom of the water tank that needs to be replaced every 12 months)

                        Originally posted by 7F4A47407468444D4D4E4E2B0 link=1245399321/1#1 date=1245399933
                        One to considerHuh. Any chance of plumbing in? If so, look VERY closely at the Giotto Professional (GPP with rotary pump, 2 gauges and drained drip tray). I have today popped one on the bench at home and am very impressed. It may well displace my beloved ECM Veneziano S1- and thats a massive statement I thought Id never make...
                        Unfortunately the machine wont be in the kitchen but on sort of an island bench opposite and I think a plumbed in model might be slightly outside my budget

                        Originally posted by 60444D4D4E4E7460445846442B0 link=1245399321/4#4 date=1245415380
                        Hope that helps, but if you need more info dont hesitate to askWink
                        Thanks for the info on the Bezerra Galatea KK! Thats exactly the sort of information I was after

                        Originally posted by 7F4A47407468444D4D4E4E2B0 link=1245399321/1#1 date=1245399933
                        Choose the one you like, match it with something like a Macap M4D or similar and you will have the perfect home setup.
                        I know this isnt a forum for grinders so ill try and keep this brief as possible: The Macap M4D is the grinder I was looking at as well (another was the Mazzer Mini electronic, but the Macap looks like its alot easier to set up). It sounds perfect for our situation as I could do all the work of configuring it and making sure the dose/grind settings are correct and then the others can just press the button

                        Is it messy at all? This was a BIG problem we had with our Sunbeam EM0480, so much so that the others stopped using it as cleanup ended up becoming a bit of a hassle. It would spray grinds everywhere and it seemed like alot of the coffee ended up getting stuck somewhere up in the spout Is this much of a problem with the Macap M4D?


                        Thanks again everyone for your replies and help and sorry mods for the off-topic grinder talk!

                        Tim

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                        • #13
                          Re: Need help deciding

                          Originally posted by 79444072652D0 link=1245399321/11#11 date=1245642494
                          It would spray grinds everywhere and it seemed like alot of the coffee ended up getting stuck somewhere up in the spout Sad Is this much of a problem with the Macap M4D?
                          I have the M4D
                          Quick answer is
                          Very clean, very quiet, very fast, and does a great job at grinding as well :
                          Very little if any grinds gets stuck up the spout

                          KK

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                          • #14
                            Re: Need help deciding

                            I have an older M5 and was going to say the same as KK.

                            The 0450/0480 all are messy as you described (I have one for use at work and quickly replaced it).

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                            • #15
                              Re: Need help deciding

                              Originally posted by 7855515D503C0 link=1245399321/8#8 date=1245483159
                              When making my final choice, it was a very close thing for me between a GPP and a DJE since in the quality stakes they are very much on a par. Thats how it is with this class of machine, it all comes down to little things that might sway you one way or the other. Coupled with purchasing a machine from one of our esteemed Site Sponsors, is the fact that you will be very well looked after, long after the initial purchase is behind you. That is very important if you need advice about anything in the future.
                              ...
                              Mal.
                              Indeed, I stood at Talk Coffee for what must have been hours on Saturday pondering the little things. Larger cup warming area on the GPP. Better feel on the steam knob on the Diadema. Commercial Pressure Stat on the GPP. Deeper drip tray on the Diadema.
                              Back & forth, back & forth. The coffee tasted great on both. What to choose? What to choose?
                              What did I choose? I havent lived with it yet so I wont give it away &, but the photo thread will be up on arrival.
                              & our sponsors will certainly look after you, Chris certainly looked after me. Ill definitely be visiting the shed again.

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