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  • BFC Junior Automatic (aka La Valentina, Diadema, Vittoria)

    Well... What can I say...

    ;D [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif] :-*


    1: First 4 coffees went straight into the bin

    Yep... This little machine is not an EM6910


    My problem was to get out of what was / had been the norm and re learn all over again. Thanks for the beans Attilio, as I must have been through 300g so far just trying to get it working as I want..

    A: Have found that I need to re check and train myself as the the dosing level
    B: Had to make my grind courser (4 clicks on teh rocky)
    C: Tamp with a little more force than I used with the SB...

    A re learning of what the machine likes / needs Vs what I expect to see and taste.

    As time goes on, I am sure that I will redefine my tastes and how I prepare the raw product..

    I also love the fact that;

    A: A few screws and she is open for inspection
    B: Warms up reasonable quickly
    C: Steaming and making a coffee at the same time is able to be done
    D: The steam is a vast improvement (over the SB), but not so out there; that it only took a couple of trys and micro foam is available.

    And to top it all off, she looks at home and has that traditional Italian look and feel..... My wife is going to hate me 8-)

    Mods to date:

    1: Wodden group handle fitted
    2: Naked is in progress
    3: Green Indicator to be replaced with a Blue one (on order)
    4: Looking for old steam knob to get the brass insert out, so that I can make up a wooden one to match.
    5: Thinking about changing the colour of the power rocker switch...

    Now... Must go and make ... Have a go, at making another coffee ;D

    NOTE: A big thanks to Attilio and CosmoreX Coffee for putting up with me, while managing any number of their own issues re. moving etc.

    Pics will follow later.




  • #2
    Re: BFC Junior Automatic (aka La Valentina, Diadema, Vittoria)

    Brilliant!

    I would be very interested in your thoughts as to "tuning" the junior, especially as you are teaming it with a Rocky.

    I have an almost identical set up... but the junior semi-auto.  It has taken me some weeks and many kilograms off beans to get what I personally think is the perfect shot for my taste preferences.

    Im not that technical when it comes to accessories (I don’t have scales or dosing gear etc…).  Ive simply got it down to following "ritual" by trial and error:

    Machine warm up - at least 30 minutes prior.  Then followed up with a flush (maybe 50ml) just prior to the grind with the filter locked in.

    Beans - I use the standard double basket.  So, as to ensure some consistency with the volume of beans, I’ve taken to using the plastic “scoop” that came with the machine.  I place approx 2 slightly heaped scoops of freshly roasted beans into the Rocky.

    Grind – As the Rocky doesn’t have a grind indicator sticker showing the grinder setting (as I bought it new from a second’s distributor and I’m assuming they replaced the damaged hopper).  I’ve now got it "3 clicks” from the finest grinder setting possible.

    Dose/Tamp – Dose (into the clean dry basket).  The dose amounts to a pile slightly heaped over rim of the basket… and when tamped, it’s just above the rib of the basket.

    Extraction – It’s about 50ml in 25 seconds.  Crème seems to be fine and by all accounts looks and behaves like it should.  With a dry solid puck.

    Espresso Taste – I’ve tried 3 or 4 different beans and settled on one supplier in the CBD in Sydney.  It’s almost a sweet creamy flavour that really does linger on the pallet for some time.  I’ve compared this to short blacks at plenty of cafes around Sydney and 9 times out of 10 it’s better than the best I’ve had.

    Milk – from the first jug I tried – I produced micro foam immediately.  I canlt see how anyone couldn’t?

    So, all in all… I am extremely happy with my new set up.  Yes I too was a SB owner, and still have plenty to learn.  The only problem I have now is that I consume 3 to 5 espresso per day on the week-end and maybe a morning flat white.  I’m literally a twitching ball of hypertension nowadays.

    Regards
    Merr1


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    • #3
      Re: BFC Junior Automatic (aka La Valentina, Diadema, Vittoria)

      Originally posted by 2E26313172430 link=1246171209/1#1 date=1246264087
      I would be very interested in your thoughts as to "tuning" the junior, especially as you are teaming it with a Rocky.
      The rocky is one great grinder especially when the small mods are applied
      It is best suited for grinding to 14 gr of beans
      However I have observed that if you like 20+ gr per filter basket you should do it in 2 stages with a small rest in between

      Originally posted by 022D2426310E222D2224262E262D37430 link=1246171209/0#0 date=1246171209
      Now...Must go and make ... Have a go, at making another coffeeGrin
      Originally posted by 022D2426310E222D2224262E262D37430 link=1246171209/0#0 date=1246171209
      I must have been through 300g so far just trying to get it working as I want..
      Ahh you are pulling my leg AM
      You know how to make good coffee & 300 gr to dial the new machine in is zilch, nada, nothing

      KK

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      • #4
        Re: BFC Junior Automatic (aka La Valentina, Diadema, Vittoria)

        Originally posted by 1A353C3E29163A353A3C3E363E352F5B0 link=1246171209/0#0 date=1246171209
        3: Green Indicator to be replaced with a Blue one (on order)  
        I too am interested in this performance mod. 8-)

        Where are you buying the bling from?

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        • #5
          Re: BFC Junior Automatic (aka La Valentina, Diadema, Vittoria)

          Originally posted by 6164776C70766D050 link=1246171209/3#3 date=1246362787
          Originally posted by 1A353C3E29163A353A3C3E363E352F5B0 link=1246171209/0#0 date=1246171209
          3: Green Indicator to be replaced with a Blue one (on order)  
          I too am interested in this performance mod. 8-)

          Where are you buying the bling from?
          Pm me and when I get back... If I do not have a spare... I guess we can order a couple in. My usual supplier has only the stand ones at the moment as little use for others...

          ..PS...


          KK..... Still trying to get it right..

          I think the grind is OK... But the tamp and dose level need some work to get consistant... I may need to make a mark or two on my tamp.

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          • #6
            Re: BFC Junior Automatic (aka La Valentina, Diadema, Vittoria)

            Originally posted by 052A23213609252A25232129212A30440 link=1246171209/4#4 date=1246363781
            I think the grind is OK...But the tamp and dose level need some work to get consistant...I may need to make a mark or two on my tamp.
            Yep depth line for your application is a good thing. If that does not work
            You may need that demeral tamper we inspected at Di Bella

            KK

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            • #7
              Re: BFC Junior Automatic (aka La Valentina, Diadema, Vittoria)

              Hmmm,

              It shouldnt be that difficult to dial-in AM, even considering you are coming from a different machine design. The same basic conditions still apply and all you should need to do is adjust the grind until the pour fits within the Golden Rule guidelines.

              Work out the ideal dose first using what ever is your preferred method, e.g. a slight impression of a $0.05 coin on top of the dry puck, etc... Stick with your normal Tamping method and force then just adjust the grind til everything is doing what its supposed to; just as with your SB EM6910. Ive gone from a small Boiler machine, to a thermoblock machine back to a small commercial machine back to another small boiler machine and then another commercial machine, all in the space of a few hours in one day and using different grinders.

              In each case, I stuck to my usual dose and tamp method but only adjusted the grind in each case to suit each particular machine. In the worst case, it took only three shots to have the machine pouring excellent Doubles in 25-28 seconds.

              I really dont understand why it would take 300g or more to get an unfamiliar machine dialled in for an experienced home barista.... Just seems excessive to me :-?

              Mal.

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              • #8
                Re: BFC Junior Automatic (aka La Valentina, Diadema, Vittoria)

                Appreciate the kind words AM.

                Re dialling in the grinder.

                In my experience when using the same beans as before with the other machine, first I would leave the grinder alone and make coffee. I would expect the grind to be close but maybe a little finer for the sunbean, so after the first coffee if it goes as I think it will, would probably move the adjuster 1 or 2 clicks in the more course direction and try again which should I think be close and allow maybe a movement of one click either way to finish.....

                However, when changing to a different blend, and particularly one that I know has a high oil content (as supplied in the box with the machine)  you may need to move a further 1 or 2 clicks in the coarse direction to account for the new blends greater density and check again.

                The rest is technique related to the particular machine. The Diadema you purchased is quite forgiving of overpacking as E61 group machines usually are, so you get a fair amount of latitude with it in the grind Vs dose Vs tamp departments from which to settle in with what you like.....

                Enjoy  

                Regardz,
                Attilio
                very first CS site sponsor

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                • #9
                  Re: BFC Junior Automatic (aka La Valentina, Diadema, Vittoria)

                  Originally posted by 47736472695E426E67676464010 link=1246171209/7#7 date=1246429105
                  Appreciate the kind words AM.

                  Re dialling in the grinder.

                  In my experience when using the same beans as before with the other machine, first I would leave the grinder alone and make coffee. I would expect the grind to be close but maybe a little finer for the sunbean, so after the first coffee if it goes as I think it will, would probably move the adjuster 1 or 2 clicks in the more course direction and try again which should I think be close and allow maybe a movement of one click either way to finish.....

                  However, when changing to a different blend, and particularly one that I know has a high oil content (as supplied in the box with the machine)  you may need to move a further 1 or 2 clicks in the coarse direction to account for the new blends greater density and check again.

                  The rest is technique related to the particular machine. The Diadema you purchased is quite forgiving of overpacking as E61 group machines usually are, so you get a fair amount of latitude with it in the grind Vs dose Vs tamp departments from  which to settle in with what you like.....

                  Enjoy  

                  Regardz,
                  Attilio
                  very first CS site sponsor

                  Still in Melbourne and the free wirless I have snagged is SLOW....

                  Mal.. Thanks for the words of advice... But I need loving.... Wife not back for another 14 days :-)


                  Attilio... I think you hit it on the nose... I was in a rush and also wanted a coffee or two or 3 ASAP.

                  1: Just finished my beans
                  2: Your beans are different
                  3: So use to teh SB.. I rushed..
                  4: A number of coffies had to be mad to actually drink


                  I WAS SHOWING OFF... Can not serve crap coffee with a new maching...


                  Thus the setting up and every thing is a PEBKAC issue... Not the Machine... Oh and the Rocky needs to be cleaned as well....


                  Regards

                  AM

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                  • #10
                    Re: BFC Junior Automatic (aka La Valentina, Diadema, Vittoria)

                    Hey AM,

                    If you have changed to Attilios beans, my experience is that when really fresh they needed a coarser grind than any bean I had tried before! (Same grinder, same machine.)

                    Nice taste though.

                    Greg

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                    • #11
                      Re: BFC Junior Automatic (aka La Valentina, Diadema, Vittoria)

                      Originally posted by 794C5B5969514C535F525A3E0 link=1246171209/9#9 date=1246441105
                      Hey AM,

                      If you have changed to Attilios beans, my experience is that when really fresh they needed a coarser grind than any bean I had tried before! (Same grinder, same machine.)

                      Nice taste though.

                      Greg
                      His 2nd KG is done...  Time to roast some more :-)  In my KK Pasta Pot and Turbo Oven..

                      Oh and here is a pic after teh latest mod...  Need to get access to a indexing table and a router to make teh steam knob stand out...

                      1: Group handles = done
                      2: Tamp done... But need a new one with a slight concave base...  
                      3: SS filter and funnel for filling = done
                      4: Steam knob = 80% done
                      5: Tamp base... In progress
                      6: Blue Indicator to replace teh green one - ordered, awaiting delivery.






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                      • #12
                        Re: BFC Junior Automatic (aka La Valentina, Diadema, Vittoria)

                        Looking good AM.... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

                        Beautiful handles there mate 8-)

                        Mal.

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                        • #13
                          Re: BFC Junior Automatic (aka La Valentina, Diadema, Vittoria)

                          Yes very nice
                          I have seen them in person except for the steam knob

                          If the steam knob is easy to turn I would not groove it, It looks great the way it is

                          Tamper stand next :-?

                          KK

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                          • #14
                            Re: BFC Junior Automatic (aka La Valentina, Diadema, Vittoria)

                            WOW!!! Fantastic workmanship!!! Has me thinking... What type of wood did you use?

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                            • #15
                              Re: BFC Junior Automatic (aka La Valentina, Diadema, Vittoria)

                              Originally posted by 69796E7F7F39383B333C380B0 link=1246171209/13#13 date=1247962468
                              WOW!!! Fantastic workmanship!!!  Has me thinking... What type of wood did you use?
                              Thanks... Do not know about Fantastic... But your complements are still music to my ears / eyes...

                              I think it is quila but until recently I just burnt it and lots of other great timber as firewood... My wifes cousin owns and runs a Wood Turning factory... Has had to move from specials to mass production to maintain a income of sorts... It costs him to dispose of off cuts.

                              Further more even when he puts in the factory and a sign that says FREE - People come imn and complain or want it cut to size etc..

                              Thus he now phones a few rels etc and we come and remove as and when we can..

                              FOR FIREWOOD.

                              Some of teh cedar and other stuff - hurt to burn and thus, I am now attempting to salvage bits that can be used for something:-) Coffee... Did I hear you say Coffee.. ;D

                              While most is just off cuts and general hardwood and some softwood etc At times there can be some interesting stuff...

                              Hence I am just starting out and looking to try different wood and to see what works... Functional and Looks. When on leave and on the beach, I picked up lots of drift wood and some of that could go well..

                              ....

                              1: New tamp handle and tamp box have priority... :-[

                              2: A new Knock box... Out of wood.... Will have to pick up a nice piece and learn to do a deep bowl - then a nice rail.... Has to be able to manage severe thumps and stand teh shock... Iron bark or another good Australian hardwood.

                              In teh ideal world every thing should match and tell a story... :-*

                              Problem is as I upgrade... The handles etc become useless, unless some one wants and or has teh same thread in their group... It can be changed as to the tpi (Metric or whatever)... But only if the same size or slightly bigger in dia. Smaller would mean glue and or a filler...


                              Actually a full set ( Group Handles / Tamp / Steam knob / Tamp Stand and Knock box) in Tasy Oak would be nice :-) .... May cost more than the Coffee Machine 8-)


                              Originally posted by 40646D6D6E6E5440647866640B0 link=1246171209/12#12 date=1247960717
                              If the steam knob is easy to turn I would not groove it, It looks great the way it is  
                              Thanks KK... I will wait and see

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