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  • #16
    Re: Diamond Italia/La Nuova Era Cuadra

    [split] [link=http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1234788611/2#2][splithere][/link][splithere_end]

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    • #17
      Re: Diamond Italia/La Nuova Era Cuadra

      Ive had one of these for 9 months and it works very well. Good temp and pressure. Solid s/s frame! Ive had a look inside and can say its very well made, 1.8L copper boiler.Very simmillar components as in other high end machine. Chromed moulded abs sides for added style. Great unit.
      P.s Diamond C has re opened as Diamond Coffee.

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      • #18
        Re: Diamond Italia/La Nuova Era Cuadra

        I looked at these machines at QCMS in Brisbane this week,from the mixed opinions I should probably stick to a Isomac Tea from DiBella as they are at the same price of around $2200.

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        • #19
          Re: Diamond Italia/La Nuova Era Cuadra

          It would be nice to know if the temp issues reported by 2mcm have been corrected.

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          • #20
            Re: Diamond Italia/La Nuova Era Cuadra

            Take a look here at the bottom post:
            http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1163932646

            I do not import these machines and I as well as many others were sorry to see Diamond C being wound up. But as I have a couple of these machines and have been using one every day for a few weeks I feel there will be no conflict of interest in commenting with some honest opinions.

            Many of you will know I am in the business and import Diadema Junior machines and therefore have equipment of my own to directly compare, in addition to running a repair workshop catering for many other brands so I will firstly disagree with a couple of comments above namely:

            a) "..solid s/s frame..."
            Sorry but this is incorrect. When you remove the body panels which give rigidity, the thin stainless steel sheet frame can easily be wiggled from side to side quite a way with your little finger!

            Whether this is of any consequence is up to the individual, because when all the body parts are screwed back together, then yes the total is solid...but to say the frame is solid is simply wrong.

            By comparison other machines in the class really do have a solid frame (several mm thicker) and they cannot be wiggled from side to side with your little finger, and they do not rely on the body panels to make the total rigid.

            The Diamond Italia weighs what....around 14 kg, and others depending on the particular models usually start at over 20 kilos and go up from there......

            So, what is the definition of "solid"?

            b) "...Very simmillar  components as in other high end machine...."

            Sorry but this is misleading in the extreme for people who are looking to buy a machine in this "class". The components used in the machine may be "similar" as in to do a similar job, but they are certainly not  the same quality of components used in the more expensive Diadema, Rocket, Veebee-emm, Isomac, La Cimbali, Wega and many others that you can care to compare to and name. The components in the others mentioned are more "heavy duty" & have larger designed in working cycles, resulting in the long run in less money spent over time in service costs.

            Please note the following.

            1) This is simply a response to what I believe to be misleading technical information.

            2) That said, there is no doubt the model serves a purpose and fills a niche at the lower end of the "semi commercial heat exchanger machine" class (where in fact there is a lot less competition than in the more expensive end....). It is simple &  has a lesser and less expensive standard of build throughout than the more expensive competing machines, but works well and would make a good work horse for someone that is budget conscious. I would call it a KISS principle machine.

            The model I have for sale (link noted above) would suit a new machine buyer & has been tweaked by me. When it came to me the system pressure was bleeding off at 12 bars which amongst other things I have corrected, and if left to sit it requires purging usually around 120 mls of water from the group before applying the group handle to brew espresso. If you always check (as a good barista should) the water coming from the group before applying the group hande, you will not scald the brew. It is simple barista technique but note however, the more expensive machines in the class have usually had this corrected on the production line so that very little purging if any is required...but they cost more!

            The machine I am selling is worth every penny of the price being asked.

            If on the other hand a prospective buyer had been comparing a new one at the RRP, to a different brand new model at their RRP (usually higher), the buyer would need to decide whether the higher price of the opposing brand model can be justified. As far as I am concerned, it can.


            When alls said and done, everything is relative and you usually gets what you pays for, and only the individual can decide what is best for them.


            Commercial interest firmly declared.

            Regardz,
            Attilio
            very first CS site sponsor.

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            • #21
              Any owners of the La Nuova Era Cuadra?

              This is the machine which is predominantly sold here in Brisbane now (at di bella and QCMS, they both highly recommend it). They back it with 2 year warranty and i think also two free services.

              Price is $2200
              1.8L copper boiler
              cool touch steam wand
              e-61 group head

              Any owners care to comments on their experience with this machine?

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              • #22
                Re: Any owners of the La Nuova Era Cuadra?

                Hi rival81,

                Last time i had a demo of the La Nuova Era Cuadra which was a year ago, they ran quite hot, for my liking. However they might of changed now, so you might be better of getting a demo from dibella or QCMS.

                Or as an alternative you might want to look into the Expobar Office Leva or the Expobar barista Minore 3 if you wanted to up your budget a bit.

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                • #23
                  Re: Any owners of the La Nuova Era Cuadra?

                  Is that really an issue or can you just do a cooling flush before your extraction?

                  I assume brew temp cant be adjusted?

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                  • #24
                    Re: Any owners of the La Nuova Era Cuadra?

                    Originally posted by 706B74636E3A33020 link=1258271374/2#2 date=1258327098
                    Is that really an issue or can you just do a cooling flush before your extraction?
                    Depends on the size of the cooling flush. An acceptable range would be between 30-60ml after the machine has been sitting for an extended period and none at all for successive shots....

                    Originally posted by 706B74636E3A33020 link=1258271374/2#2 date=1258327098
                    I assume brew temp cant be adjusted?
                    Thats pretty well the case rival...

                    Brew water temp. is down to the overall engineering of the thermodynamics of the hydraulic circuits, not so much on the temperature of the Boiler water. It could perhaps be "tuned" by someone who knows what theyre doing or, you could settle on a machine that has been designed from the outset to reliably deliver Brew water at the correct temperature with minimum cooling water flush involvement....

                    Cheers
                    Mal.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Any owners of the La Nuova Era Cuadra?

                      Silvia owner here but Ive turned up this Thread that could be of interest please note it refers to machines from the previous distributor, current distributor may have made changes.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Any owners of the La Nuova Era Cuadra?

                        whoa that is really interesting... i will be steering clear.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Any owners of the La Nuova Era Cuadra?

                          In fairness to QCMS
                          please note it refers to machines from the previous distributor, current distributor may have made changes.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Any owners of the La Nuova Era Cuadra?

                            I too am in teh market - the La Nuova Era Cuadra and the Isomac Tea both same just in limbo for choice - the Nuova has the better warranty and service. Anyone have thoughts or experiences ?

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                            • #29
                              Re: Any owners of the La Nuova Era Cuadra?

                              Originally posted by 30202C2F2F2C3330430 link=1258271374/7#7 date=1261441059
                              I too am in teh market - the La Nuova Era Cuadra and the Isomac Tea both same just in limbo for choice - the Nuova has the better warranty and service.  Anyone have thoughts or experiences ?
                              Heaps been said on this

                              look here
                              http://coffeegeek.com/reviews/commercial/lanuovaeracuadra

                              and here
                              http://www.home-barista.com/

                              And then after reading the rest of this thread, as a long term proposition I think you might favor the Isomac.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Any owners of the La Nuova Era Cuadra?

                                hi guys,
                                Ive had my bright red cuadra now for 3 months and am very happy with it so far. The shop I bought it from said they could adjust the temperature to suit the type of roast I prefer. So, I asked the roaster who I buy my beans from about the right temp for the roast I like and then had the shop guy tweak the temperature settings to 93 degrees which is apparently where my roasted beans perform their best. And apparently its no big deal to change the temp settings again if I want, but i havent had any need so far.
                                lurrrv my first coffee of the day

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