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    Ok I am wanting to upgrade (just coffee machine) with a $2000 budget.  Prefer New machine, but not esstential.  Looking at ExpoBar leva, Isomac Tea,  would prefer a fairly small footprint if possible due to limited space.   Have not played around much with e61 group heads.  Being in Perth would need a machine with easy acessability to parts and service.  need pros / cons, other machine options.  I obviously do not have to spend the full $2000 if there is another option that is just as good for cheaper.

    I make both Espresso and milk drinks. Only need to make a couple of coffees at a time , as only for personal use.

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    Re: $2000 range

    Hi,

    The Expobar Office Leva is narrower and deeper than the Isomac Tea. Also, the Expobar has a bigger boiler than the Tea, but both machines will do the job. Theres not a big difference in foot print. In my experience, it usually comes down to aesthetics.

    charlie

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    • #3
      Re: $2000 range

      Sounds like you dont really need an HX machine so you might want to consider the Diadema Perfetta or the VBM Domobar Piccolo.

      On the other hand, $2K is getting close to some very good HX machines, you may want to stretch the budget slightly more to something like the Bezerra BZ07.

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      • #4
        Re: $2000 range

        Hi Steve, Im with Charlie on this one..

        if aesthetics are not too important, a caibrated Expobar eb-61 lever.

        If youre happy to go a single boiler machine and wait for your milk, I reckon the Diadema Perfetta is the best on the market.

        Chris

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        • #5
          Re: $2000 range

          I have the Expobar and it will easily handle your requirements with plenty of grunt to spare.

          Not the prettiest machine but not the ugliest either.

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          • #6
            Re: $2000 range

            I vote with Chris, my Expobar was transformed after he calibrated it with a Thermo stability mod and it would do the job easy.

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            • #7
              Re: $2000 range

              Bezzera BZ99 is under $2,000 and I think it would be classed as semi commercial

              Good reliable workhorse

              KK

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              • #8
                Re: $2000 range

                From top of my head will be:
                HX:
                Bezzera 99S (Under 2000)
                Expobar Lever/ Expobar Office (Under 2000)
                Nouva Simonelli Oscar (Under 2000)
                Isomac Tea (Over 2000)

                Boiler plus thermo-blocks
                Ascaso Duo (Under 2000)

                good luck

                regards


                Renzo
                Di Bartoli Home Barista Centre

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                • #9
                  Re: $2000 range

                  Originally posted by 3A392A2A3D34580 link=1252636745/5#5 date=1252715458
                  I vote with Chris, my Expobar was transformed after he calibrated it with a Thermo stability mod and it would do the job easy.
                  What would be better? EXPOBAR Leva with Thermo Stability Mod or EXPOBAR Minore III What sort of cost would the Thermo Mod be? would this push me towards the price of a minore III?

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                  • #10
                    Re: $2000 range

                    Originally posted by 607C71737B7B707D7167140 link=1252636745/8#8 date=1252799909
                    Originally posted by 3A392A2A3D34580 link=1252636745/5#5 date=1252715458
                    I vote with Chris, my Expobar was transformed after he calibrated it with a Thermo stability mod and it would do the job easy.  
                    What would be better?  EXPOBAR Leva with Thermo Stability Mod or EXPOBAR Minore III  What sort of cost would the Thermo Mod be? would this push me towards the price of a minore III?
                    Howdy Steve,

                    Barrels machine is an Office SA. These arrive without thermosyphon restriction and are uuuugly unless modified. You should be able to get a great result from the Office leva with just pressurestat and OPV tweaking. We spend an hour on a Scace check and adjustment of the eb-61 before it goes out the door...

                    The Minore III is fantastic out of the box and requires only adjustment of the OPV...

                    Your choice

                    We have an Expobar (+Giotto and VBM) service specialist over your way. They handle all our service and warranty requirements, so it makes good sense...

                    Chris

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                    • #11
                      Re: $2000 range

                      I think I am starting to steer towards the Expobar Minore III so might be worth saving that few extra dollars to upgrade.

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                      • #12
                        Re: $2000 range

                        I have the Leva and it has been great. Also, I have become a fan of its more "honest" appearance - not as fluffy as some of the other machines - though beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I also considered the Minore III and I also only make a few coffees at a time.
                        I didnt choose the Minore because:
                        1. Its overkill for my needs given I only make a few coffees at a time.
                        2. Properly calibrated the Leva will make identical coffees. It produces more than sufficient amounts of dry steam that makes the 6910 look like a toy. Many reviews online on the Leva are old and assess a leva without a thermosyphon. I only flush 50-80ml of water and have great temp stability (AFAIK)
                        3. The Minore has much more that can go wrong compared to the Leva.
                        4. The Minore is much more expensive

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                        • #13
                          Re: $2000 range

                          I suppose if I went the Leva, and had it calibrated then this would save me some dollars to save up for a mazzer as well.

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                          • #14
                            Re: $2000 range

                            Originally posted by 685D5057637F535A5A59593C0 link=1252636745/3#3 date=1252650525
                            If youre happy to go a single boiler machine and wait for your milk, I reckon the Diadema Perfetta is the best on the market.
                            When you say wait for your milk,  What sort of time frame are we looking at between the shot pulled and steaming the milk.  Is it seconds/minutes?

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                            • #15
                              Re: $2000 range

                              Originally posted by 677B76747C7C777A7660130 link=1252636745/13#13 date=1255168459
                              When you say wait for your milk,  What sort of time frame are we looking at between the shot pulled and steaming the milk.  Is it seconds/minutes?
                              about a minute to purge the wand and build up enough pressure. I usually clean up the grounds add any sugars etc while waiting.  Not a problem unless doing more than 4 drinks then the first ones can get a  bit cold. If youre only pouring one or two shots before steaming then itll be fine.

                              sd

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