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Lindsay
I have come across these this morning
7mm silicon gaskets. Send me a PM, email or you would like one
Cheers
Antony
CASA ESPRESSO
www.casaespresso.com.au
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I'm not sure Lindsay. We generally only have the genuine gaskets for the Nuova Simonellis.
The notches really don't make a difference. We have found the best gaskets are the 7mm conical gaskets that are actually the standard ones for the NS Appia
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Thanks Antony; you're very helpful.
So does that mean there are no silicone ones available that fit?
Also, do the notches matter? Are they just an option for making it easier to remove?
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You need the 7mm gasket for the Musica (and Oscar). The thicker 8mm gasket is for the NS commercial machines .
If you use the 8mm gasket you will not be able to insert your group handle.
Cheers
Antony
Www.casaespresso.com.au
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Can any Musica owners confirm the size of the group seal?
In the manual I downloaded from the NS website, I see the entry for "group gasket" (English) is "JOINT SOUS COUPE 073X058X7 TYPE C 82/84 ShA", which looks like 73*58*7mm.
When I look for a suitable Cafelat or similar silicon seal, I can't see anything in that size. Am I out of luck trying to find one of these, and I just have to get the original rubber one?
The Cafelat site has one listed for "Musica" but the dimensions don't match. It says, "Size for Nuova Simonelli 8.3mm gasket: 71mm x 56.5mm x 8.3mm (Red colour)"
One website I found has "Group Seal, Nouva Simonelli Old Group 7mm"... I'm not sure if I'm the "old" one, but I guess so.
I also see "conical" ones with different dimensions and some with and without notches.
I'd appreciate any comments from people who've changed the seal on a Musica and if there's a preferred option. Thanks.Last edited by lindsayward; 24 July 2017, 10:34 PM.
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1.5 is high, it should sit at about 1.1 to 1.2bar on the Musica.Originally posted by lindsayward View PostThanks Antony.
My pressure sits at 1.5. Should I be aiming for something else (lower)?
I tried adjusting it last night and it's really hard. I think I got it down by about 0.05 but the screw was getting damaged.
Unfortunately the domestic presurestats are not made to be adjusted too many times, after a few adjustments the screw will be damaged, like your has.
If you can take it a service centre and get it adjusted correctly
Cheers
Antony
www.casaespresso.com.au
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Thanks Antony.
My pressure sits at 1.5. Should I be aiming for something else (lower)?
I tried adjusting it last night and it's really hard. I think I got it down by about 0.05 but the screw was getting damaged.
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LindsyOriginally posted by lindsayward View PostHi. A few people on here have commented positively on changing the Campini pressurestat to a Sirai one, and I'd like to know a bit more about how this affects the coffee.
Are there any benefits other than the actual device being more reliable and easier to adjust? That is, if they're working and set OK, do they both produce the same result?
All the standard Musicas come with the Capmini pressurestat. There was/is a version called the Professional but very few of these are sold, they have the Sirai pressurestat.
The Sirai version is a commercial pressurestat that will allow you to adjust the pressure easily as you have mentioned.
However, in a machine like this the Campini or other domestic style unit is fine. If it is correctly set you are not going to notice a difference in every day performance
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Antony
www.casaespresso.com.au
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Hi. A few people on here have commented positively on changing the Campini pressurestat to a Sirai one, and I'd like to know a bit more about how this affects the coffee.
Are there any benefits other than the actual device being more reliable and easier to adjust? That is, if they're working and set OK, do they both produce the same result?
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In Tank Softening and Machine Review
I've now played around with this machine, a pour over Lux Musica, for a couple of days, and have some observations and a question, which is likely "unanswerable" without trying it.
By way of background, I've owned commercial espresso equipment in my house since 1998, at which time it was distinctly uncommon. I have owned several Cimbalis (still own and use 2), a La Marzocco (still own it and use it), and for kicks bought a Breville Dual Boiler a couple of years ago when it went on sale at a very cheap price. I roast my own beans on a commercial 1 kg roaster, and own so many grinders that it would be embarrassing to state how many are currently resigned to the basement. But I digress
My first comment is that it is a good machine and anyone with a modicum of skill should be able to produce excellent shots and milk drinks from it. It is way above the minimum requirements needed to reach the point that a skilled operator needs to showcase whatever coffee he wants to produce. I am not an adherent to the idea that something like a Rancilio Silvia is adequate; I'd just drink Starbucks or airplane coffee rather than fight with a machine like that, and just relegate coffee to being a drug delivery system for caffeine before I'd go that route. So I do think that this Musica machine is of a pretty high level if the potential expected drink quality is the metric.
I have no experience with the Oscar, but from what I have read the guts of this thing are identical to it, although there have been quite a few iterations of the Oscar over the years. And, I think that will be my major negative observation on this machine, the Musica, that they have made the Oscar "presentable," have added some useful features (pressure guage; water tap; cool-looking case) but also a lot of what they have added is no more than fluff to any serious "barista."
I've made around 10 shots & milk drinks in total with the Musica since I set it up, and haven't had a bad result, at worst a mediocre result, with any of them. The frothing is more or less brainless, the tip produces very good quality microfoam. The water tap doesn't work very well but then I don't drink boiler water anyway so I couldn't care less. The preinfusion is of questionable value since vibe pumps have a slow ramp up to pressure anyway and hence are much more forgiving than a rotary pump is when it comes to basket preparation and grind setting.
My major beefs with this machine are the non-intuitive control panel and programming, the cheapness of the control panel itself, and the price of the machine, not necessarily in that order. In my opinion, no serious barista uses volumetric dosing; I never end a shot arbitrarily based on volume alone. I end shots based on a combination of factors including the dose used, in grams, the appearance of the shot as it pours, the timing, and the weight of the produced shot as it pours. Most people don't do the latter step, but for me it improves consistency.
Bottom line, in addition to the money spent on the nice casing, the entire electronic set up and control panel are a waste of money in my view. I would much prefer a simple on and off button, and perhaps dedicated buttons for such things as preinfusion so that one would not have to go into the extremely non-intuitive Italian programming in order to turn it off.
So that is my review of this machine; it is very competent and capable, nice to look at, however overpriced and with a lot of fluff bundled into its electronics and cheap push buttons which are a waste of time and money, plus they look like a cheap pinball machine from the 1980s
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Now to my question: before receiving my machine I contacted friends who own an espresso machine parts store and ordered a number of things including a bottomless portafilter and an in tank softener cartridge. I was unaware of the design of the water tank in this machine at that time. The in tank softener cartridge (it was disposable and cheap so no biggie there) has a nipple on one end and intended to be attached to intake tubing used in many pour over machines but obviously not this one, which uses a valve at the bottom of the tank instead of a feed tube. I think this type of in tank softener cartridge is very common. I took some pictures of it but don't have an online site to host the image so I apparently can't easily post it here. In any event, it occurs to me that with the right sort of silicone or other plastic tubing, with the right internal and external diameters, that one could get one end of the tube with the internal connection connecting to the softener cartridge and the other end, the tank end, if with the right external diameter, it could fit into the depression in the bottom of the water tank. Whether or not it would stay there is another question, and whether it might interfere with the "draw" of the water into the vibe pump is yet another question, although vibe pumps have dealt with this sort of situation in pour over machines, e.g. drawing incoming water through a constricted tube, since pour over machines first appeared on the market.
Has anyone tried an in tank softener for this machine? I called NS in the USA and they told me that they did not have such a product and that they advised an external source of softened water, which in my view is a design flaw in this machine.
Thanks to anyone responding.
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Very helpful, thank you. If I was so inclined as to modify the machine, I'd probably PID it before bothering with a Sirai, but I think my machine modding days are behind me.Originally posted by stevenh78 View PostHave a look at this for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7yfK_oMxiM
the back panel comes off after both sides...
Thanks again.
Edit: It turns out that my machine already has a Sirai Pstat installed.Last edited by champignon; 10 January 2015, 09:29 AM.
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Have a look at this for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7yfK_oMxiM
the back panel comes off after both sides...
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Taking off the Case
I recently purchased one of these in the Lux version, for occasional use as a portable pour over. I have owned quite a few commercial espresso machines over the years, and currently use a plumbed in La Marzocco and Cimbali. I would expect to do most of the maintenance and repair work on this Musica myself, and to start with I'd like to take a quick look at the internals.
The available online manuals and parts lists (as well as the manual that shipped with the machine) don't make it easy to figure out how to get the case, or parts of the case (such as side panels or top panel) off without the trial and error of removing every visible screw, bolt, and hex nut :-) I've tried a little "trial and error," but removal of the case on this machine is very far from intuitive. And there isn't much out there in cyberspace on this machine, other than promotional materials that accentuate the appearance and basic operation. I bought the machine online from a distance, and live quite a long distance from any dealers in this product.
Has anyone here disassembled their machine, or at least removed the external panels, and if so, could you give a few hints on doing so?
Thanks very much in advance!
Stephen
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Yeh will need to get a new float... Can't remember what brand the replacement float I got was... It wasn't simonelli...
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