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  • gooka
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    PS. Last service a Coffee repair place did for a small café was en excess of $600 to inspect and change group seals and shower screens.

    No cleaning/ no temp or pressure checks ... Nothing else and makes it hard for the owner to validate..


    These are your words AM in reply #12. (attillio & OlSmokey?)

    Also reply #16 (guesstimates? being generous)

    1: Service on site... (Travel time) OK$200

    2: Parts (Cost and mark up) $20 screens and seals

    3: Labour and so called final testing.. $100 hr for 20min work?

    still way below $600?

    My point, no one should be charged $600 to only have the screens and seals changed on their machine.
    If you think charging that much is ok...then we agree to disagree.

    Attilio, I am definitely not being cryptic and am not discrediting coffee technicians..They are very important people!

    ps Im not a troll im just new here.



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  • beanflying
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    Originally posted by 754156405B6C705C55555656330 link=1275526828/19#19 date=1277433131
    Perhaps there was another reply to the thread somewhere above and then it was deleted....because not sure what this is replying to or what it means.
    Maybe a one post Troll :-? Joined yesterday one fairly off topic posting???

    Not to mention travel time to and from location X to this machine or any other multitude of work that may or not have been done? Down in my part of the world until recently most Coffee machine service work was done with a 2 1/2 hour drive before they got here so someone has to pay for at least some of that even if it gets shared around several machines service calls.

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  • Fresh_Coffee
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    Originally posted by 292121252F4E0 link=1275526828/15#15 date=1277385279
    PS. Last service a Coffee repair place did for a small café was en excess of $600 to inspect and change group seals and shower screens.

    ;D
    excess of $600..........for screens and seals.....I dont think so and if they did pay then they are stupid!
    Perhaps there was another reply to the thread somewhere above and then it was deleted....because not sure what this is replying to or what it means.

    Does it mean someone spent half an hour on site, replacing only a couple of showers and group seals and charged $600.00....Or does it mean someone spent considerable time on site completing various tasks requiring mostly the input of "time spent" & expertise rather than actual replacement of spare parts, and charged $600.00?

    None of the circumstances have been described, in any case it is well known that people can write whatever they like in internet forums and apparently its always the truth!

    And of course lets not discount, that for every paid job a professional tradesman ever did for a client, there is a very high number of complimentary jobs and pieces of advice that were freely given.

    Cryptic anonymous posts are not helpful particularly when it seems they have been posted to try to discredit espresso machine rerpairers in general, and present a case that all and sundry unqualified people should be sticking screwdrivers into black holes in coffee machines looking to make contact with 240 volts and or take work from legitimate espresso machine tradesmen who like everyone else, have every right to ply their trade without interference from the sidelines.

    Regardz to all,
    Attilio
    very first CS site sponsor




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  • A_M
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    Yep...

    Originally posted by 506C657D68090 link=1275526828/17#17 date=1277426709
    Mornin AM, most tradesmen, particularly sparkys and plumbers will charge whatever they can get away with  
    We have half a dozen or so in our town, most drive bloody great sign written Mercedes vans and the meter starts ticking the moment they pick up the phone to speak to you, minimum call out fee $100  
    Issue for some up here is that; like a limited supply of good Coffee training (See other rants)  , there are only a few providers of Coffee Service Maintenance available..

    They have a interesting monopoly and as there are few if any other options...

    **** Well; guess what happens when looking for on site service or a timely service due to parts availability..

    Unless you have a Fully paid up contract...  A repair can take days to weeks..

    PS.  Another reason why Machines and Roasted beans are lumped together..  The shop owner does not have to think about it...

    Even the big sponsors and others suppliers up here, contract the service of equipment out... Be it Commercial and or the Smaller units they sell......

    Not aware on any that have a substantial service crew and loan equipment.. And if they do; it does not come cheep.

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  • Yelta
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    Originally posted by 4F60696B7C436F606F696B636B607A0E0 link=1275526828/16#16 date=1277425562
    Your obviously not dealing with any contractors or trade people if you think that $600 is a joke..
    Mornin AM, most tradesmen, particularly sparkys and plumbers will charge whatever they can get away with >
    We have half a dozen or so in our town, most drive bloody great sign written Mercedes vans and the meter starts ticking the moment they pick up the phone to speak to you, minimum call out fee $100 > on the other hand I use an excellent electrician, no call out fee, in fact will drop in on the way past and offer advice and even do small jobs @ no charge, very reasonable rates and needless to say hes flat out.
    Same deal with plumber.

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  • A_M
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    Originally posted by 242C2C2822430 link=1275526828/15#15 date=1277385279
    PS. Last service a Coffee repair place did for a small café was en excess of $600 to inspect and change group seals and shower screens.

    ;D
    excess of $600..........for screens and seals.....I dont think so and if they did pay then they are stupid!
    Yes they did charge $600 and like many; the final cost is only after the job has been done and teh invoice is sent and or handed over.....

    Your obviously not dealing with any contractors or trade people if you think that $600 is a joke..

    1: Service on site... (Travel time)

    2: Parts (Cost and mark up)

    3: Labour and so called final testing..


    So If you can do on site (van ) and parts (Warehouse to cover all models and types) and labour (skilled) for significantly less and pay the service person a wage (something that keep him turning up)... Lots of people would be happy to talk to you...

    If not then....

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  • gooka
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    PS. Last service a Coffee repair place did for a small café was en excess of $600 to inspect and change group seals and shower screens.

    ;D
    excess of $600..........for screens and seals.....I dont think so and if they did pay then they are stupid!

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  • A_M
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    Originally posted by 6366647063656571020 link=1275526828/13#13 date=1275613788
    OK, consider me enlightened. Looking at QLD state law now and this stuff seems insane. I used to re-wire electric sockets when I was 12 years old but apparently its against the law. So yes, I totally understand where you guys are coming from and yes, from a legal point of view what Im suggesting is dodgy. I can see how a qualified sparky/technician, having invested time and money into becoming a certified contractor, would look upon my fiddling with a certain amount of disdain.

    As far as selling on this machine, that is simply a vague consideration so thanks for setting me straight. I mean that. My goal is to get this machine running again, make a few good coffees with it and then feel good about myself before wondering what I might actually do with it.
    Good... We are on same playing field; but may be at different ends at tomes... I mean Blue Vs RED.

    If about research / learning etc etc.. I am on the north side and may be in a position to ensure that your safe and the rebuild is not putting you or property at risk.....

    Prior to a fully working machine going into ya kitchen and family and friends using it.. Another step may be involved.

    Ya profile is still not updated.

    PM me.

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  • adfraggs
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    OK, consider me enlightened. Looking at QLD state law now and this stuff seems insane. I used to re-wire electric sockets when I was 12 years old but apparently its against the law. So yes, I totally understand where you guys are coming from and yes, from a legal point of view what Im suggesting is dodgy. I can see how a qualified sparky/technician, having invested time and money into becoming a certified contractor, would look upon my fiddling with a certain amount of disdain.

    As far as selling on this machine, that is simply a vague consideration so thanks for setting me straight. I mean that. My goal is to get this machine running again, make a few good coffees with it and then feel good about myself before wondering what I might actually do with it.

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  • A_M
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    Originally posted by 292C2E3A292F2F3B480 link=1275526828/11#11 date=1275603176
    All good points. I didnt occur to me that if I was to sell this thing Id need to have it properly checked. Ill be sure to do that.

    There will most likely be a call to the service shop at some point. Hopefully I can find someone here in Brisbane who is happy to pass on their wisdom without significant cost but I really never expected them to do it for nothing. Thats what this place is for right?
    1: Update ya profile..

    2: In Qld - you even take the cover off you are 1/2 way to breaking a number of State laws...

    3: You plug it in for any reason after any work and your done and dusted.. You have broken State and also put ya self at risk of action by the Grid supplier (Ergon for eg) as well.

    The hard part for Qld is that there are only a couple of places that do refurbishment sort of work if at all and in many cases; even getting parts is impossible except for online..

    PS. Last service a Coffee repair place did for a small café was en excess of $600 to inspect and change group seals and shower screens.

    No cleaning/ no temp or pressure checks ... Nothing else and makes it hard for the owner to validate..

    PS.   adfraggs

    Do a search on the rebuild projects etc a few of us up here in Brisbane have done and all the data is available..  KLuB T2 / Faema /  San Marino CK - Black ABS top - Rebuild project etc. Look in this topic. http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?board=BrewExtreme

    If it is for home and or a project - great way to learn etc If you do it safely...

    You thinking of buying crap / rebuild / Selling... Thats another issue.

    As a contractor in Qld.. I see you do it or even hear that you have been playing with 240V etc.. Under the law I an obligated  to report you to the Authorities..


    Every other Coffee machine service centre in Qld has to obtain a Contractors licence (not cheep and renewed every year) and or contract that work / responsibility out to a Contractor.  They also have to have staff with Electrical Quals / Formal competences to Tag and test etc)

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  • adfraggs
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    All good points. I didnt occur to me that if I was to sell this thing Id need to have it properly checked. Ill be sure to do that.

    There will most likely be a call to the service shop at some point. Hopefully I can find someone here in Brisbane who is happy to pass on their wisdom without significant cost but I really never expected them to do it for nothing. Thats what this place is for right?

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  • Fresh_Coffee
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    Thank you for the well thought out reply.

    You will note, I have altready done the thinking part for you by doing the general diagnosis, even if it hasnt specifically pin pointed where the final fix lies and or with which component etc.

    Where is the intellectual expertise... in the diagnosis which is why as you would know from your field of expertise, most repairers now charge a "book in fee" because there are enough people out there, who will let you spend your valuable time to work out whats wrong and needs fixing, then say they dont want you to go ahead with the repair. The book in fee being refunded in the cost of the eventual repair, or not refunded if the client decides to pick it up without repair.

    There is a fine balance between how much "complimentary" time can be spent on any particular problem, and from where it will have to go on the clock. Dont forget, one mans hobby and an endless supply of free time, is another mans livelihood wher time is money.

    Regardz,
    Attilio
    very first CS site sponsor.


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  • A_M
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    Originally posted by 6E6B697D6E68687C0F0 link=1275526828/8#8 date=1275570893
    Actually the reason Im doing any of this is because Im looking to learn and make restoring machines a bit more of a regular hobby. Kind of defeats the purpose to take it to a service shop. Im really just looking for a user manual at this stage, anything else is a bonus, but thanks for the pointers so far, theyre appreciated.

    I will say, as an I.T. professional Im happy to spend some of my spare time helping out people who need it. Im particularly happy to share my knowledge and love to see someone being interested rather than just handing it over and waiting to see the result. No doubt we all have different philosophies on this kind of stuff, perhaps its my larger pay packet that has me generally feeling more generous.

    Ive also been poking around inside dangerous machines for a while so Ive learned to be careful  
    Makes sense..

    Just remember playing with 240V is not only dangerous; it is agents the law in all states unless you have a licence or some level of skill set that is recognised / signed off.

    Play all ya want on a dead / disconnected system... But it must be tested before powering on and should be tagged prior to actual use..

    Depending on where you are it can be a big issue...  

    Originally posted by 023621372C1B072B22222121440 link=1275526828/6#6 date=1275557564
    Also this will involve electrical stuff. Not prepared to go there with a non electrical trades / or appliance repair qualified  person.
    Note: House insurance and even life insurance will not cover you; if you doing something your not qualified to do..

    Accidents are one thing, actually playing with stuff and getting hurt... Another matter.  A little like DUI... Ya insurance is invalid.

    As per A. and his comment... If I advise and even with a disclamer... You get hurt... I can be taken to court as a contributing factor etc.

    Thus my advice.. If ya not qualified.. Get a mate in who is to double check and sign off on ya work.. He wont be happy..

    OR

    Go and do ya training and get ya test gear and once signed off... Ya own problem.

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  • adfraggs
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    Actually the reason Im doing any of this is because Im looking to learn and make restoring machines a bit more of a regular hobby. Kind of defeats the purpose to take it to a service shop. Im really just looking for a user manual at this stage, anything else is a bonus, but thanks for the pointers so far, theyre appreciated.

    I will say, as an I.T. professional Im happy to spend some of my spare time helping out people who need it. Im particularly happy to share my knowledge and love to see someone being interested rather than just handing it over and waiting to see the result. No doubt we all have different philosophies on this kind of stuff, perhaps its my larger pay packet that has me generally feeling more generous.

    Ive also been poking around inside dangerous machines for a while so Ive learned to be careful  

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  • A_M
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    Have to agree with A. yet again...

    In addition there are other issues that will cause teh water fill to error...

    1: Faulty controller
    2: Dirty probe
    3: No mains / suitable water
    4: Air in teh system
    5: Pump problem / setup
    6: etc
    7: And the list goes on....

    As A. said..

    There is a Clean & Polish Or a Slap & Tickle VS a REBUILD.

    Rebuilds should only be undertaken if ya have teh skill sets..

    The KLIIB T2 was a Slap & Tickle and even that tested some of my skills...


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