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  • #16
    Re: New machine selection - are these chalk and cheese?

    Thanks guys, Ive booked a time with my local non-sponsor supplier this week to have a look at the Giotto Rocket.

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    • #17
      Re: New machine selection - are these chalk and cheese?

      Originally posted by 1E3930313332285C0 link=1283661340/15#15 date=1284346685
      Thanks guys, Ive booked a time with my local non-sponsor supplier this week to have a look at the Giotto Rocket.
      Thats a shame Belmont, as I know we better them on aspects of the deal....You may well find it worth a drive or we can ship to you overnight.

      I trained a client about a year ago on one of their machines. She had received no training or support materials whatsoever... In addition, the simple stuff on a bench test such as a pressure check had not been done. :


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      • #18
        Re: New machine selection - are these chalk and cheese?

        Nothing set in stone yet.

        I was actually going to call you to see if you are around on Thursday morning?

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        • #19
          Re: New machine selection - are these chalk and cheese?

          Belmont given that you even considered an Izzo Alex this early in the journey it sounds like you are someone that likes to go all out and buy the best at the start. The Izzo is certainly one of the best home coffee machines out there and no doubt you have heard that the juras are one of the best superautos. I would be pretty certain in saying that if you buy a jura you will be back on the net or here trying to learn how to get the best out of it. Thing is I would almost guarantee that you will eventually come to the conclusion that you chose the wrong machine and inevitably upgrade to an HX or dual boiler machine.

          Unless you have an absolute desire to buy the best an Izzo isnt necessary and some would argue not suitable. An HX machine will be slightly cheaper and serve you equally as well. The reason why I say that some would argue a dual boiler isnt suitable is that they really are better for high turnover. In an HX the brew water is heated instantly, a dual boiler the brew water is always at temp. Some would argue that water shouldnt be held at high temp or it affects the flavor. If that truly is the case then you would have to brew off a fair bit of water to make sure the brew water is fresh. I think the jury is still out on this one and I cant confirm or deny it but I thought I would let you know all the same.

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          • #20
            Re: New machine selection - are these chalk and cheese?

            Thanks mate, Im making the long trek to Talk Coffee in the morning. Ive got my eye on 3 machines and think it might come down to bench space that influences my decision after doing a few measurements today.

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            • #21
              Re: New machine selection - are these chalk and cheese?

              Originally posted by 47787E796463524F627461680D0 link=1283661340/18#18 date=1284425976
               The reason why I say that some would argue a dual boiler isnt suitable is that they really are better for high turnover.  In an HX the brew water is heated instantly, a dual boiler the brew water is always at temp.  Some would argue that water shouldnt be held at high temp or it affects the flavor.
              The specifics of the machine need to be taken into account here. The better domestic dual boiler designs have a far smaller boiler to ensure that there is good water turnover. Check the specs of the Izzo and the LaSpaziale Vivaldi II. The second thing to consider is if there is a difference, are you able to taste it?  :-?

              Originally posted by 4F6861606263790D0 link=1283661340/19#19 date=1284541573
              Thanks mate, Im making the long trek to Talk Coffee in the morning.
              8-) See you soon Belmont.

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              • #22
                Re: New machine selection - are these chalk and cheese?

                Just thought I share that I ended up with a Giotto Premium Plus and and M4D from Talk Coffee.

                I managed to have a quick play around with it this morning and am looking forward to learning how to drive it over the weekend.

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                • #23
                  Re: New machine selection - are these chalk and cheese?

                  Originally posted by 63444D4C4E4F55210 link=1283661340/21#21 date=1284720192
                  Just thought I share that I ended up with a Giotto Premium Plus and and M4D from Talk Coffee.

                  I managed to have a quick play around with it this morning and am looking forward to learning how to drive it over the weekend.
                  Thanks for your support Belmont,

                  I wish you many happy cups! 8-)

                  Chris

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                  • #24
                    Re: New machine selection - are these chalk and cheese?

                    Originally posted by 476069686A6B71050 link=1283661340/21#21 date=1284720192
                    Just thought I share that I ended up with a Giotto Premium Plus and and M4D from Talk Coffee.
                    Nice choice belmont ..........enjoy the journey.

                    Steve.

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                    • #25
                      Re: New machine selection - are these chalk and cheese?

                      Originally posted by 674049484A4B51250 link=1283661340/21#21 date=1284720192
                      Just thought I share that I ended up with a Giotto Premium Plus and and M4D
                      Nice
                      Many years of quality coffee await you

                      KK

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