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  • Dimal
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    Re: What now, Silvia? Maybe the Izzo Alex Duetto II or Rocket Giotto Premium Plus?

    Originally posted by 61657E740C0 link=1303098386/33#33 date=1305996625
    Why so?
    Originally posted by 586D6067534F636A6A69690C0 link=1303098386/35#35 date=1306015489
    For mine, nothing comes close to the finish of Diadema gear. They just do it so well. The PID Diadema uses a smaller brew boiler than the Monore as well which I think is a good idea so as to turn the brew water over more rapidly.
    Therein is as good an answer as I could give..... 8-)

    Mal.

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  • TC
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    Re: What now, Silvia? Maybe the Izzo Alex Duetto II or Rocket Giotto Premium Plus?

    Originally posted by 3729313C2A2932335D0 link=1303098386/34#34 date=1306014707
    I havent used either but again having read heaps on this forum (and seeing both in the flesh) I would personally go for the Diadema, because of its looks, other Snobs recommendations, and particuarly because I know that Attilio at Cosmorex goes to a lot of trouble to work with the manufacturers to get the Diadema right.

    The Diadema just looks like its a little more solid than the Expobar.
    And thats good enough reason Sniff,

    For mine, nothing comes close to the finish of Diadema gear. They just do it so well. The PID Diadema uses a smaller brew boiler than the Minore as well which I think is a good idea so as to turn the brew water over more rapidly.

    The Minore is a tank and looks better in IV configuration than it ever has. Its well built, but boxier than the Diadema.

    Both great machines and as always, horses for courses. You choose the one you prefer. The Alex Duetto adds a rotary pump and is super quiet. Build quality is very impressive as well.

    Chris

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  • SniffCoffee
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    Re: What now, Silvia? Maybe the Izzo Alex Duetto II or Rocket Giotto Premium Plus?

    Originally posted by 55514A40380 link=1303098386/30#30 date=1305950993
    It now all comes down to Minore IV and Junior Extra now.
    Hi Darryl, I was answering the question above - i.e. Expobar vs Diadema.

    I havent used either but again having read heaps on this forum (and seeing both in the flesh) I would personally go for the Diadema, because of its looks, other Snobs recommendations, and particuarly because I know that Attilio at Cosmorex goes to a lot of trouble to work with the manufacturers to get the Diadema right.

    The Diadema just looks like its a little more solid than the Expobar.

    But again, this is just my personal opinion. You might be better off hearing from Expobar owners - Im sure there are plenty out there who are happy with their purchase.

    The Alex Duetto vs the Diadema Junior Extra PID is a much harder choice to call. Chris at Talk Coffee puts a lot of support behind the Duetto, and ultimately it would a very personal choice.

    I probably would go for the Duetto, just to get the benefit of the quietness of the rotary pump, plus the added benefit of the ability to plumb in.

    And, just to throw a spanner in your works, consider the new Breville Dual Boiler thats being released soon too. A technical tour de force, with dual boilers and PID control, for half the price of your other candidates....

    Sniff

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  • mirx
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    Re: What now, Silvia? Maybe the Izzo Alex Duetto II or Rocket Giotto Premium Plus?

    Originally posted by 3F21393422213A3B550 link=1303098386/31#31 date=1305954740
    Originally posted by 20243F354D0 link=1303098386/30#30 date=1305950993
    Hi Mal - can you point me to a review or discussion thread on the Junior Extra with dual boiler and PID? The ones I could find only discusses the one without any of those blings! It now all comes down to Minore IV and Junior Extra now.Thanks,Darryl.
               
    Daryl, the Junior Extra PID has only been released in the last few months so I dont know if any snobs have one - but you can read Mals excellent review of his Extra here:

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1163235000

    The PID just makes it better with the ability to adjust the brew temperature.

    If I were spending the money, Id go for the Diadema.

    Cheers

    Sniff
    Originally posted by 113C383439550 link=1303098386/32#32 date=1305964242
    Originally posted by 5E40585543405B5A340 link=1303098386/31#31 date=1305954740
    If I were spending the money, Id go for the Diadema.
    Me too...

    Mal.
    Why so?

    TalkCoffees listed price for an Izzo Alex Duetto II is $3699, while for the Diadema Junior Extra Dual Boiler PID is going for about $3300. The Expobar Minore IV is about $2805.

    Because the Diademas only $400 cheaper than the Alex Duetto II, if the amount payable isnt too much of a burden, wouldnt it wiser to take the Alex Duetto II instead?

    Im still not sure why the Diadema is your preferred option over the Expobar. Will you be kind enough to elaborate further?

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  • Dimal
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    Re: What now, Silvia? Maybe the Izzo Alex Duetto II or Rocket Giotto Premium Plus?

    Originally posted by 5E40585543405B5A340 link=1303098386/31#31 date=1305954740
    If I were spending the money, Id go for the Diadema.
    Me too...

    Mal.

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  • SniffCoffee
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    Re: What now, Silvia? Maybe the Izzo Alex Duetto II or Rocket Giotto Premium Plus?

    Originally posted by 20243F354D0 link=1303098386/30#30 date=1305950993
    Hi Mal - can you point me to a review or discussion thread on the Junior Extra with dual boiler and PID? The ones I could find only discusses the one without any of those blings! It now all comes down to Minore IV and Junior Extra now.Thanks,Darryl.
    Daryl, the Junior Extra PID has only been released in the last few months so I dont know if any snobs have one - but you can read Mals excellent review of his Extra here:

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1163235000

    The PID just makes it better with the ability to adjust the brew temperature.

    If I were spending the money, Id go for the Diadema.

    Cheers

    Sniff

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  • mirx
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    Re: What now, Silvia? Maybe the Izzo Alex Duetto II or Rocket Giotto Premium Plus?

    Originally posted by 6B46424E432F0 link=1303098386/29#29 date=1305880201
    Originally posted by 57504141504754415D5A5850350 link=1303098386/28#28 date=1305875881
    if you had to rate and compare them, besides emotion, why go the extra $1200 and buy the duetto and not the Expobar Minore III ?
    Or....

    The new Diadema "Junior Extra" Dual Boiler with PID Control and other features. A very classy machine in all areas that count.... 8-)

    Mal.

    Hi Mal - can you point me to a review or discussion thread on the Junior Extra with dual boiler and PID? The ones I could find only discusses the one without any of those blings! It now all comes down to Minore IV and Junior Extra now.

    Thanks,
    Darryl.

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  • Dimal
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    Re: What now, Silvia? Maybe the Izzo Alex Duetto II or Rocket Giotto Premium Plus?

    Originally posted by 57504141504754415D5A5850350 link=1303098386/28#28 date=1305875881
    if you had to rate and compare them, besides emotion, why go the extra $1200 and buy the duetto and not the Expobar Minore III ?
    Or....

    The new Diadema "Junior Extra" Dual Boiler with PID Control and other features. A very classy machine in all areas that count.... 8-)

    Mal.

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  • betterathome
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    Re: What now, Silvia? Maybe the Izzo Alex Duetto II or Rocket Giotto Premium Plus?

    I agree, dual boiler, the engineering makes sense.
    The Duetto, Im saving up for one, and have looked at the Expobar Minore III, but you also mentioned the Expobar Minore III, which is $1200 cheaper (and I love the roller wheel between the lever and switch), if you had to rate and compare them, besides emotion, why go the extra $1200 and buy the duetto and not the Expobar Minore III ?

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  • balistc
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    Re: What now, Silvia? Maybe the Izzo Alex Duetto II or Rocket Giotto Premium Plus?

    Having gone from a Silvia to a Duetto II, I have to say, if you can spend the dollars, do it..

    Although there are probably a lot of machines for a lot less that can do an admirable job of making as good a coffee as a Duetto II, the whole idea behind buying the best you can afford is simply "because you can". The fact you own one, the build quality, and the "aura" which surrounds it cant be beaten (unless you own a GS3 or a Speedster, then its questionable )

    Its why people buy Ferraris or Lamborghinis.. there are plenty of cars that might drive just as well and be just as quick, but theyre not the same are they?

    If you want to spend a bit less, have a look at the Expobar Minore III.. Ive played with a few and theyre excellent for the money.

    Im firmly planted in the Dual Boiler camp.. I just love the idea of steam and brew being completely independent of each other and regulated accordingly.

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  • TC
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    Re: What now, Silvia? Maybe the Izzo Alex Duetto II or Rocket Giotto Premium Plus?

    Originally posted by 7B51405D515E300 link=1303098386/25#25 date=1303616313
    Giotto Premium Pro up for sale very soon
    Hi Kapman,

    Best not to confuse a potential buyer by lisitng something which doesnt exist. Its either a Giotto Professional (rotary pump plumbed) or a Giotto Premium Plus (vibe pump tank).

    It looks like yours is a Premium Plus, so it might perhaps be worth going back over your other posts today to edit them so theyre correct?

    Cheers

    Chris

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  • Kapman
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    Re: What now, Silvia? Maybe the Izzo Alex Duetto II or Rocket Giotto Premium Plus?

    I have both a Giotto Premium Plus, and recently upgraded to an Alex Duetto ii. I think both machines are excellent. The GPP cant be faulted for build quality and performance. The main reason why I went to the Alex was obsession :P But i think that any decent HX machine will consistently better shots than a silvia coz of the thermal stability of the E61 head, and of course the progressive preinfusion with this design that brews the coffee for a few seconds before extracting the shot.

    I plan to put the GPP up for sale very soon, but the site rules say I need to put up at least 5 posts before I can :P

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  • KJM
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    Re: What now, Silvia? Maybe the Izzo Alex Duetto II or Rocket Giotto Premium Plus?

    Originally posted by 6F6B707A020 link=1303098386/0#0 date=1303098386
    Like every experienced Rancilio Silvia/Rocky prosumers, I am tired of the additional preliminary steps needed on the Silvia like temperature surfing, bleeding water out the steam wand prior to steaming, and waiting for a couple of minutes between espresso shots.
    Darryl,
    If youre not wanting to blow a large wad of cash, there is another way. Upgrade the grinder (I would personally highly recommend a Macap ) and put a PID on the Silvia.

    This does not transform it into a HX class performer in terms of infinite steam etc, but it means you dont have to fluff around.

    I usually make at least one milk drink. So I switch on, and when it is hot enough - stretch the milk. When the PID shows it is about 124C (on mine - it depends on where and how the probe goes on the boiler..) I clear the water from the wand into a latté glass and go. The temperature will slowly fall but you can stretch 2 lattés with constant pressure. Then it is on with the portafilter and I run water into two glasses (to drop back to brew temp). Itll fall to about 89C, and I grind, tamp, and then it is ready at perfect brew temp.

    The PID (or possibly even just a humble temperature indication) completely transforms the device.

    Just another option!

    Cheers
    /Kevin

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  • mirx
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    Re: What now, Silvia? Maybe the Izzo Alex Duetto II or Rocket Giotto Premium Plus?

    Originally posted by 7275646475627164787F7D75100 link=1303098386/22#22 date=1303321148
    Playing around with a 1 hole, 2 hole, 3 hole or 4 hole tip can make a big difference to how your milk is textured, and the angle of the jug when texturing (comfort or work space).
    The Silvia V2 has only one hole, but I think the inconsistently textured milk (for latte art) is due to the machines inability to maintain a steady stream of steam. While the boiler is heating up for steam, the steam knob needs to be loosened for it to bleed for awhile. And then after awhile, Ill just turn the machine on for a few seconds (10 seconds or so) until it maintains a consistent stream. Otherwise, you will see sudden blasts of steam which makes texturing a little hard to predict.

    However, I didnt know about the amount of holes on the steam wand could make a difference. Thanks for the tip.

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  • betterathome
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    Re: What now, Silvia? Maybe the Izzo Alex Duetto II or Rocket Giotto Premium Plus?

    Originally posted by 20243F354D0 link=1303098386/21#21 date=1303252213
    I read from another thread that this other dude modified his Minore III with a Synesso steam wand. I dont see the point of this upgrade at all.

    I know Im jumping the gun here (havent even owned any of the machines mentioned above) and dont understand the point of upgrading a perfectly decent machine, what potential upgrade would one want/need when their machine is already equipped with a PID and a dual boiler?
    Playing around with a 1 hole, 2 hole, 3 hole or 4 hole tip can make a big difference to how your milk is textured, and the angle of the jug when texturing (comfort or work space). Also personal prefferences for shape of steam wand based on personal preffered ergonomics. Doesnt get as big a mention as pulling a good shot, as a good shot is where it starts, and aficionados are probably not into milky drinks as much.

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