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  • Any thoughts on ECM Technika IV Profi?

    I visited a sponsors store and liked the look of this machine but would love some feedback from the CS community on their experiences with it.  Any comments about levers vis a vis knobs also welcome - I read someone say levers arent any good because your hand gets hot when frothing the milk.

    Suggestions regarding other machines to consider are also welcome!!

    Im upgrading from a la pavoni europiccola and want something that can froth milk a lot better and produce more consistent shots as well as bigger capacity. Really good built quality is also important as Ive struggled when the pavoni has needed to be in for extended service and repairs......

    Thanks for your help.

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    Re: Any thoughts on ECM Technika IV Profi?

    I was at Di Bartoli today to pick up my machine from servicing and saw that they had a brand new Technika IV on display. This particular one was in white. Its an extremely nice machine. Everything looks and feels well built. Worth checking out if you are in the market for a new machine.

    Im not entirely sure where this person you talk about is putting their hand so that it gets hot while frothing milk though ...

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    • #3
      Due to some birthday money coming my way I'm the market for a new machine and I also saw this in a site sponsor the other day. I was originally thinking a Giotto (as most people do when looking to buy) but was impressed by Technika... but am a little hesitant as there's not info about it on here, or HB, or CoffeeGeek!

      Anyone with some info, experience, thoughts etc on it?

      Cheers!

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      • #4
        I bought one 2 weeks ago now. But due to working interstate I only get a chance to play with it on the weekend.

        I upgraded from a Gaggia Classic machine which i'd been using for 4-5 years. What I liked about the ECM Technika IV Profi was the fact it was a German machine which had the looks and solid build to go with it. The levers are a really nice addition which also set it apart from many of the other machines i'd been looking at.

        As everyone knows though, in this pro-sumer range of machines you cannot really go wrong. They all make a good cup of coffee and the internals are fairly robust and are fairly easy to get replacement parts for.

        I've noticed that this machine doesn't need much of a cooling flush, if at all. Looking at others videos of the Giotto and Isomac machines they get flash boiling and steam coming from the group. I'm really only seeing water, makes me think the machine might be a little more thermally stable (noticed the same thing on the Technika machine at Jet Black which they use now for the barista courses). The steam is very powerful and the 2 hole nozzle is easy to work with. It is fairly quiet for a vibration pump machine.

        I've paired mine with a Compak K3 Push, which was recommended to me. This has worked very well so far.

        I'm getting fantastic results, i've noticed a great improvement in my espresso shots (I'm sure my gaggia ran too hot!) and micro foam so far has been a sure thing. Just have to work on getting it a little bit wetter for latte art :P

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Huhness View Post
          I've noticed that this machine doesn't need much of a cooling flush, if at all. Looking at others videos of the Giotto and Isomac machines they get flash boiling and steam coming from the group.
          G'day Huhness,

          I am glad you are happy with this machine. You may however have eliminated other options when you didn't need to or as the result of incorrect aassumptions.

          I guess that this is one of the limitations of the internet. Machines are configured for different markets and anyone is free (within reason) to post whatever they like on the internerd.

          If you viewed a machine from a different continent such as Europe or the USA, the cooling flush you saw would be expected. Their machines are configured to work with darker roast and for this reason need to run hotter.

          Your statement does not apply to any Giotto Premium Plus or Plus V2 machines which have been imported through traditional channels into Australia. As I understand, it no longer applies to Isomac either. It would almost certainly apply to machines which are grey imports.

          Prospective purchasers of a variety of machines are too frequently deterred when they read or watch stuff which is either old or patently incorrect. In this case, it may well have been both.

          It's always best to speak with someone who knows and can offer informed opinion on the mountain of misinformation out there.

          Cheers

          Chris
          Last edited by TC; 17 July 2012, 12:40 PM.

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          • #6
            Huhness I was looking at importing one when I first started looking for a new machine, good to see that they are giving the results I thought they would

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            • #7
              Yeah no properly set up HX should cough and splutter. Even my 7 year old Isomac Millennium no longer does after putting a restrictor in the thermosyphon loop. I'm going to look at the site sponsors and buy from one that properly sets the machine up temperature and pressure wise, so that's not really a concern for me.

              I am curious however why so few people seem to say much about them and fewer seem to have experience with them.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by jamespbeasley View Post
                .....I am curious however why so few people seem to say much about them and fewer seem to have experience with them......
                Are you referring to the machine model that is the subject of this topic, or to the subject of "restrictors"?

                Also I am curious as to what you hope to achieve by stepping from a millenium to the other? A well set up millenium should already be making high quality commercial espresso. I understand that after 7 years you will be wanting a change to some kind of newer machine, but I would be sus if you are seeking some kind of hitherto unobtained espresso nirvana ie expecting a big change in the quality of the espresso, which I honestly dont think you will get.

                That said, I'm all for upgrading every few years due to age and reliability factors just like when we upgrade any other piece of equipment.....
                Last edited by Fresh_Coffee; 17 July 2012, 03:40 PM.

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                • #9
                  I would like to bump this thread back up, as I am also interested in the ECM Technika IV

                  If anyone has any actual experience of this machine - good, bad or otherwise - then please chip in

                  I saw it demo'd at Di Bartoli and to my not-very-expert eyes it looked pretty good. Compared to a Giotto it seemed slightly better built in terms of fit and finish, and seemed to have superior milk frothing

                  Is member Huhness above the only person here who has one or has tried one?

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                  • #10
                    I own a ECM technika and love it, Great steam capabilities, I chose it for the large boiler, good space between the steam tap and group head and the thermosyphon option, very easy to service with the parts from coffeeparts. On the down side it has a very large foot print and I changed the steam tip straight away. I coupled it with a mini mazzer and what a team!!

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                    • #11
                      I'm in the market for one of these bad boys and headed over to Di Bartoli yesterday afternoon to give it a bit of a run down. For point of reference, I'm upgrading from a PID'd Silvia. Thanks so much to Ofra for the excellent customer service and interesting and honest opinion.

                      I started off playing with a V1 Rocket Giotto Premium plus as the Technika was still warming-up. I pulled a couple of shots on the Giotto and my girlfriend offered to test out the steaming capabilities. All good and I liked the cool-touch steam wand.

                      The Technika on bench is a rotary pump Technika IV Profi. The version on the bench at Di Bartoli actually has a switch underneath the drip tray to switch it over from tank to plumbed. Ofra informed me that this actual machine doesn't use the switch at all yet. There is a shipment coming into Australia in October which will be fully switchable between tank and plumbed in.

                      I pulled a couple of shots and made a Cap and was well impressed. The finish of the machine is just better than the Giotto IMHO. The steaming performance appears to be better as well (no expert here, but again, my opinion). Unfortunately, there is no cool-touch steam wand, but I can live without that. The machine is also very quiet. I was so impressed with the machine that I put down a deposit for one of the new shipment coming in October.

                      Looking forward to it

                      EDIT: This is a link to ECM's website where it states the update to the machine about the switch-over function.

                      http://www.ecm.de/1/espresso-machine...s/technika-iv/

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SimonC View Post
                        I'm in the market for one of these bad boys and headed over to Di Bartoli yesterday afternoon to give it a bit of a run down. For point of reference, I'm upgrading from a PID'd Silvia. Thanks so much to Ofra for the excellent customer service and interesting and honest opinion.

                        I started off playing with a V1 Rocket Giotto Premium plus as the Technika was still warming-up. I pulled a couple of shots on the Giotto and my girlfriend offered to test out the steaming capabilities. All good and I liked the cool-touch steam wand.

                        The Technika on bench is a rotary pump Technika IV Profi. The version on the bench at Di Bartoli actually has a switch underneath the drip tray to switch it over from tank to plumbed. Ofra informed me that this actual machine doesn't use the switch at all yet. There is a shipment coming into Australia in October which will be fully switchable between tank and plumbed in.

                        I pulled a couple of shots and made a Cap and was well impressed. The finish of the machine is just better than the Giotto IMHO. The steaming performance appears to be better as well (no expert here, but again, my opinion). Unfortunately, there is no cool-touch steam wand, but I can live without that. The machine is also very quiet. I was so impressed with the machine that I put down a deposit for one of the new shipment coming in October.

                        Looking forward to it

                        EDIT: This is a link to ECM's website where it states the update to the machine about the switch-over function.

                        Technika IV
                        I got this machine a litle while back and am very pleased with it. It's paired with a Quamar M80E grinder (comparable conceptually to the guts of a Mazzer Super Jolly paired with the electronic doserless system on a Mazzer Mini Electronica)

                        The good points of the Technika are that it is easy to make great espresso with. Once it's warmed up (30 mins, or 15 at a push if you're happy to push a few blank shots through the group head once the boliers up to temp) it makes a consistent shot with an easy to manage cooling flush regime. If you're making back-to-back shots no cooling flush is needed. If you leave the machine longer than 10 mins, simply flushing a cup full of water through the portafilter to clean the group head kills two birds with one stone. If there's just a few minutes break between shots, a couple of second flush seems to work fine for me

                        I love the clean lines that help show-off the gorgeously engineered E61 head. It seems a beautifully made machine, with an engineered feel rather than the more romantic aesthetic of the closely related Giottos. The flick levers for steam and hot water are a doddle to use, though have an action that could be a little smoother if I was being picky. The 3 litre tank is big enough, but if you get busy it drains surprisingly fast. However if portability is a must then it's by no means a major issue. You just need to keep an eye on the water level as the low level cut out has a murphy's law-like tendency to catch you out mid-shot. Luckily refilling is very easy with a wide hinged lid allowing unobstructed accees to the tank. The drip tray is plenty big, solid, smoothly finished and super-easy to rinse clean. I like the way the drain valve from the group head dumps waste water cleanly into the drip tray. The rotary pump is a nice-to-have feature and suits the overall teutonic efficiency of the machine

                        Steam-wise, I'm finding the ECM a dream once you get used to the extra horsepower. I find I can steam enough milk for a large flat white in the time it takes to pull a double shot, and (when I get my technique right) it makes perfect velvety microfoam. No issues with the stock nozzle for me

                        In terms of portability, it's just about do-able. The bulk and weight of it are such that carrying it more than about 25m or negotiating steps require care and committment! It's worth investing in a small trolley if you move it often

                        A few quick words on the grinder. I took a bit of a risk on this one as there seemed to be little out there to refer to in terms of reviews. Since buying it, this review came out of the doser version, M80. I agree with the comments made in the review on the M80 and can just add a few points on the doserless aspect of the M80E:

                        It doses quickly and cleanly with no lumps at all - Comparable to a Mini Mazzer Electronic, but noticeably quicker. The control system is easy to use with adjustment down to 0.05 sec, and 1, 2 & 3 -cup presets. My only gripes are that the touch control for manual dosing is not easy to turn on/off reliably resulting in the occasional spillover, and the hopper is too large for domestic use and has a slightly "cheap" feel that lets down an otherwise high quality impression. Overall, though it is consistent and controllable with a satisfyingly well-engineered feel to it. The ground coffee it puts out looks and feels very even

                        Together with the ECM I'm very happy with the coffee I'm making and to be honest, day to day, I hardly think about the equipment now I've got used to it. I try quite a lot of different coffees, so the focus is on the coffee not the machines, which just quietly get on with their jobs

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                        • #13
                          Thanks for the informative review mate.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SimonC View Post
                            Thanks for the informative review mate.
                            No Worries. Last weekend this set-up got a good workout, given it's used mainly in a domestic setting making just a handful of coffees per day. I ran 4 sessions of about 20 shots back-to-back per session. Mainly for flat whites with a few short and long blacks. It performed like dream, flattering this amateur barista - Making twenty coffees is easier than making one

                            Tried some interesting coffees, too - I can recommend the current Market Lane Espresso blend from Market Lane in Melbourne (various Guatemalan estates), plus from Mecca (Sydney) their Dark Horse blend, currently African origins, and a sublime Panama single origin (Esmeralda) which, too be fair, is not really best appreciated as an espresso coffee (akin to speed-reading Shakespeare?)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SimonC View Post
                              I'm in the market for one of these bad boys and headed over to Di Bartoli yesterday afternoon to give it a bit of a run down. For point of reference, I'm upgrading from a PID'd Silvia. Thanks so much to Ofra for the excellent customer service and interesting and honest opinion.

                              I started off playing with a V1 Rocket Giotto Premium plus as the Technika was still warming-up. I pulled a couple of shots on the Giotto and my girlfriend offered to test out the steaming capabilities. All good and I liked the cool-touch steam wand.

                              The Technika on bench is a rotary pump Technika IV Profi. The version on the bench at Di Bartoli actually has a switch underneath the drip tray to switch it over from tank to plumbed. Ofra informed me that this actual machine doesn't use the switch at all yet. There is a shipment coming into Australia in October which will be fully switchable between tank and plumbed in.

                              I pulled a couple of shots and made a Cap and was well impressed. The finish of the machine is just better than the Giotto IMHO. The steaming performance appears to be better as well (no expert here, but again, my opinion). Unfortunately, there is no cool-touch steam wand, but I can live without that. The machine is also very quiet. I was so impressed with the machine that I put down a deposit for one of the new shipment coming in October.

                              Looking forward to it

                              EDIT: This is a link to ECM's website where it states the update to the machine about the switch-over function.

                              Technika IV
                              Thanks SimonC for the time spent in our store! We're glad you've found the one for you, I'll keep you posted as soon as the new batch is here!

                              Ofra

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