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  • Breville's "Oracle" at Aroma Festival this Sunday

    Just giving everyone the heads up, that we will have 4 new Oracle espresso machines on show and available for use during Aroma Festival this Sunday at The Rocks in Sydney. Please drop by & put this revolutionary espresso machine through its paces. We debuted the Oracle at SCAA in Boston earlier this year & the reaction was nothing short of amazing. The Dual Boiler forms the platform for the Oracle, but the party favours are, Auto grinding, dosing & tamping together with Auto milk texturing, hands free!

    Hope we can catch up with plenty of Snobs at Aroma!

    Cheers, Phil

  • #2
    Here's a post on its unveiling at SCAA: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/brewing-eq...o-machine.html

    A few more pics of it: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/general-ne...tml#post498866


    Java "There it is!" phile
    Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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    • #3
      What will the RRP be on this beast?

      Cheers

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      • #4
        Originally posted by artman View Post
        What will the RRP be on this beast?

        Cheers
        Breville Oracle to bridge gap between convenience and complexity - Current: Electrical, Electronics and Appliance Industry News and Issues

        'Three weeks after Current.com.au first revealed details of the world’s first automatic manual espresso machine, Breville has revealed more details about this exciting release.

        The Oracle (BES980) is intended to bridge the gap between the convenience of a fully automatic and the complexity of manual espresso machines. It houses much of the same technology as the Dual Boiler, and has a similar appearance, with the addition of automation to justify the RRP $2,499 price tag.'

        Awaiting the explanation of 'automatic manual espresso machine' with interest.

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        • #5
          I downloaded the user manual from the website and had a bit of read out of curiosity. Some interesting features listed, including milk temp and "frothiness", tamp polishing etc. Was advertised in a HN catalogue for $2499. Interesting it has all been crammed into the same size as the BDB.

          Cheers

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          • #6
            Originally posted by tiddler2 View Post
            Awaiting the explanation of 'automatic manual espresso machine' with interest.
            That's easy, it does everything except moving the PF from the grinder to the group and sticking the milk pitcher under the steam wand for you

            It can also be operated as a full manual machine.

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            • #7
              So, it takes the fun out of making espresso then...

              It's sort of seems like it's targeted at the Nespresso crowd, except it costs 2 and a half grand not $99. No doubt produces vastly superior coffee, but for me coffee is as much about the making as the drinking.

              Still, I'd love to see this in action. I wonder how it judges the dose? Built in scales of some sort?

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              • #8
                I think its forte would be small office environment. Its much cheaper than most full autos and produces far superior coffee (by the sounds of it).

                However, most offices buy cheap, old, stale beans from the supermarket, that guarantees inferior coffee no matter how you brew it.

                Cheers

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Darkfalz View Post
                  Still, I'd love to see this in action. I wonder how it judges the dose? Built in scales of some sort?
                  From what I remember at MICE they said the grinder/tamper ran until it reached a certain height in the basket, you could change grind fineness but not that height

                  It did look easy to work, the milk came out very good, I wouldnt want to be stuck with the equivalent of the smart grinder though

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                  • #10
                    A couple of days ago I saw the Oracle for sale in my local Good Guys for $2499. I’m sure that if you twisted their arm they would drop the price.

                    Read at The Purchase Process about breville’s Club Oracle delivery and their White Glove Service in the Sydney and Melbourne metropolitan areas.

                    The White Glove Service is a complimentary delivery and installation service. A certified Breville Coffee Specialist will deliver the Oracle™ to your home and set it up in your kitchen. The Specialist will walk you through the machine set up and functions. They will also share with you their knowledge of coffee and techniques to get the best possible extraction from your new Oracle.

                    Barry

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                    • #11
                      looking at the pic below, it looks like there is a very long chute between the grinder burrs and the grinds destination:



                      Hopefully the grinds dont get retained in that long path getting stale between shots.

                      Cheers

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                      • #12
                        I wonder if there is a way to get a brush up that tube for cleaning.

                        I made a great coffee on an Oracle at the Sydney Aroma Festival in July.

                        Another taster there claimed it was the best coffee he had ever had. He was sold.

                        The tamper has a rotating spiral. When the puck builds to the correct height, the back pressure turns off the tamper and grinder.

                        I see a big thing is that the dose and tamp will always be consistent, removing two variables. You still have to choose the coffee origin, roast and age and set the fineness of grind.


                        Barry

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                        • #13
                          I haven't read too much about these.

                          It's a BDB coupled with a Smart grinder with the addition of the tamping mechanism attached to the grinder. Some more software and the dosing mechanism add about $800 at full retail to the price? Have I missed something?

                          I'm considering it as an option for the beach house of a relative who generously just gives us the keys whenever it's vacant and we want to use it. The Saeco Royal currently on duty there is a shocker and needs to be consigned to the tip!

                          It will be very interesting to see where the street price settles once they hit market.

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                          • #14
                            Hi all,

                            I have been following the Bes900 Dual Boiler thread for almost 2 years now as I own one. I had the luxury of having a good 15min chat with Phil yesterday at the Margaret River Gourmet Escape Food Festival. I basically quizzed him on the differences between the Bes900, Bes920 and Bes980 Oracle. I will keep this post to just taking about the Oracle. I also got to have a half hour play with one.

                            The insides of the Oracle sound like they have the standard Bes900 plus extras and the fixes that were required to the Bes900 ie. OPV set incorrectly, seals blowing and portafilter flying off. The auto grinding and tamping, in basic terms, works by grinding dirtectly into the portafilter and there is some sort of contraption that spins around on the top of the puck and once a certain torque is sensed it knows that the correct amount of grinds have been grinded and it stops. Basically, you end up with a portafilter of coffee accurate to 0.5g (which is better than the Smart Grinder), that is tamped at an amount which can be adjusted in the menu and the portafilter is filled to a predetermined level that suits the Oracles shower screen height. The grind fineness is adjusted through about 30 levels by the knob which used to be used for hot water. There is zero mess. The portafilter basket is slightly different and the pucks are much harder to knock out which I assume stops the sticking puck problem. The lugs on the portafilter are also slightly different and the portafilter requires a fair bit of force to lock in. As for the steam wand, I only used the manual mode however it has a real time milk temp. Displayed which is quite handy. The steam wand auto purges when you finish the milk and move the wand back to the stowed position. Other info Phil told me are; adjustyable steam temp, adjustable milk texturing and temp shutoff for milk in the auto mode, the 1 and 2 cup buttons can be programmed to a time or a volume now. The rest of the Bes900 modes and adjustments remain with the exception of the Manual Button. To extract manually now, you press the 1 or 2 cup button and just pfress it again when you would like it to stop. I assume that to stop the shot stopping automatically and prematurely, you would set the button to time value of say 60 seconds to rid yourself of it stopping before your shot has blonded.

                            As for the shots I poured yesterday, the machines were outdoors in aboput 30 degree heat and a humid day and I didnt have time to fine up the grind enough to pour a ristretto length pour like I prefer. Im sure that indoors in a normal environment it would do just fine.

                            Overall impression is really good. I went there a bit sceptical however walked away impressed.
                            Pros; No mess at all, great for someone like my partner who has given up on making her own coffee because of the difficulty in prefecting all thye different variables of making coffee, all bar the actual pour are taken care of for you. Also less time required to make a few coffees tyhan I currently experience on my Bes900.
                            Cons; Possibly the machine dosing and tamping better than myself and me getting lazy and just letting it do it all itself thus losing my skills. It tyakes the whole barista part out of it I think.

                            Cheers.

                            PS. Ive posted this over on the other Oracle forum as well.

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