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  • #16
    Free portafilter and having Trump as President or no free portafilter? I know which I would prefer.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by 338 View Post
      Free portafilter and having Trump as President or no free portafilter? I know which I would prefer.
      I'd prefer Australian consumers had a more competitive retail market in some sectors where Low volume, high margin seems to be the default. Higher volume, lower margin might bring consumers into your market sector stimulating sales in associated areas. Boutique sectors of retail who price fix don't do the Australian consumer any favours and probably stifle their own growth.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by 338 View Post
        Free portafilter and having Trump as President or no free portafilter? I know which I would prefer.
        Dear 338, we are not very far from Trump (or his friend Putin) taking into account recent AFP raids on ABC reporters. But enough about politics, lets talk coffee. I do not know why, but Australia is now one of the most expensive countries in the world (I know this for sure by visiting about 90 countries in the world). Our cars, as well as espresso machines and other specific consumer goods are much more expensive than in Europe or USA. I completely agreed with CafeLotta comments. Our retailers prefer to have a very fat margin (for example Jetblack espresso recently increased price on ECM classika for about the price of bottomless portafilter without adding it in). I could not buy the argument about the rate of Australian dollar (it did not change much for a very long time).
        The other interesting point is about the supply chain of pro-consumer espresso machines to Australia (I was sure that companies like Jetblack are the importers as well, but looks I was wrong). Importer has his margin, distributor has another margin, and some shops add their margins as well. That is the way, I guess.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by JetBlack_Espresso View Post
          Definitely no stealing of portafilters going on. We do open the box, prime and test the machine, make sure there are no blemishes, and everything is as it should be. Importers can usually specify inclusions and this can vary.

          charlie
          Dear Charlie, sorry for the confusion. I did not mean to offend, I only compared the information (2014- naked portafilter with basket included, 2019- not included). Price for ECM classika increased in June 2019 compare to May 2019. AUD did not change much. I did not know that importer is included into the food chain. I thought that your company is importing coffee machines from Europe and distributing it in Australia.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by ilichev View Post
            Dear Charlie, sorry for the confusion. I did not mean to offend, I only compared the information (2014- naked portafilter with basket included, 2019- not included). Price for ECM classika increased in June 2019 compare to May 2019. AUD did not change much. I did not know that importer is included into the food chain. I thought that your company is importing coffee machines from Europe and distributing it in Australia.
            In 2014 the AUD purchased around 0.7 Euro. Today, it purchases 0.6 Euro. Call it a 15% depreciation or $300 bucks on a $2k machine. Ask Charlie how many thousand he has invested in stock, parts and staff to support your purchase? As for the price discrepancy in a month, it can be as simple as the manufacturer price increases, the exchange rate on the previous import v the one which just landed or maybe just that the margin has been unsustainably low for too long.

            It's high time to move on and stop the whinging. You received what you paid for and as far as I can see, every single issue you have identified is the result of inexperience.

            You have a good machine, now go and enjoy it rather than nitpicking!

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            • #21
              Illchev, agree with you that Australia has a high cost of living. This is not just retailers having a fat margin, often the retailers have to spread the overhead over less sales. Haviing owned businesses in the US and here I can tell you it is easier when you have a client base of 330 million than 23 million. It also has previously been because of protectionism. We still pay Luxury Car Tax (33cents in the dollar) above the threshold, which was set at the level of the most expensive Australian built car.

              I cant agree with you about our dollar being stable. It is 69 cents now, I remember being in the US in 2001 for about 3 months and it was costing over two Aussie dollars to get one US dollar, in 2010 we hit US $1.10. I just looked up 2014 when the machine you use as an example was bought, the dollar spent plenty of time above US 0.93, a fair way from todays 0.69. That is one third more for your dollar, that may seem stable to you, to me it feels like a large one third more.

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              • #22
                Dear forum, what should Ido about my mean and unfair barber? I think I have buyers remorse. I have been using this barber for 6 years and recently took my nephew to him. He charged half for my nephew (who has more hair than me) and without prompting by my nephew gave him a lollipop! Should I a) learn I should negotiate for lollipops before entering the transaction b) demand lollipops with future transactions or c) shoot the unfair barber?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by 338 View Post
                  Dear forum, what should Ido about my mean and unfair barber? I think I have buyers remorse. I have been using this barber for 6 years and recently took my nephew to him. He charged half for my nephew (who has more hair than me) and without prompting by my nephew gave him a lollipop! Should I a) learn I should negotiate for lollipops before entering the transaction b) demand lollipops with future transactions or c) shoot the unfair barber?
                  a) Yes. b)Yes. c)Probably not unless you know of a Barber who gives you free fresh ground/brewed coffee of your choice.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by 338 View Post
                    Dear forum, what should Ido about my mean and unfair barber? I think I have buyers remorse. I have been using this barber for 6 years and recently took my nephew to him. He charged half for my nephew (who has more hair than me) and without prompting by my nephew gave him a lollipop! Should I a) learn I should negotiate for lollipops before entering the transaction b) demand lollipops with future transactions or c) shoot the unfair barber?
                    Look on the bright side. At least you don't have to tip here and if you do tip, stop it.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Erimus View Post
                      Look on the bright side. At least you don't have to tip here and if you do tip, stop it.
                      What?!? Now wait a minute here. We Mods depend on those tips to keep us supplied with our cuppa sludges to keep our eyes open on the long overnight sessions. (We tried toothpicks but quickly gave them up as the pierced eyelids made sleeping hard to do.) No more tips here???


                      Java "Nnnnnoooooooooo..." phile
                      Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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                      • #26
                        Here's a good tip I came across......

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                        I'm sure no-one here finds this applicable of course.

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                        • #27
                          Dear Coffee snobs, This is a thread with title: "ECM classika PID" started by Holyfrog in December 2014. Because I recently (May 2019) bought this very good espresso machine, I am asking questions about this and similar machines and expecting advice from more experienced senior members how to make a perfect cup.
                          Currently I am using standard double portafilter (came with machine) and 18g basket that only fit into this portafilter. Every morning I need to make 2 separate cups of my espresso shot, that takes double time when I am in a hurry to my work. I started to think about naked (bottomless) portafilter with 25g basket to buy and use as only one double-triple shot of espresso at once.
                          My questions are:
                          1). Would it damage the machine or create excessive pressure (more than 10 bars) when making big shot of espresso from 25g of coffee?
                          2). I expect to receive triple or more volume of good espresso in one hit, or the good espresso will be only in the first 30-50ml of coffee in the shot?
                          3). Could I buy non-ECM naked portafilter like Expobar naked portafilter for cheaper price on e-bay, or it could be a cheap Chinese fake portafilter sold by coffee parts online company?
                          Sorry for asking so many questions at once. Would be very grateful for you advice and experience in this issue.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by ilichev View Post
                            My questions are:
                            1). Would it damage the machine or create excessive pressure (more than 10 bars) when making big shot of espresso from 25g of coffee?
                            2). I expect to receive triple or more volume of good espresso in one hit, or the good espresso will be only in the first 30-50ml of coffee in the shot?
                            3). Could I buy non-ECM naked portafilter like Expobar naked portafilter for cheaper price on e-bay, or it could be a cheap Chinese fake portafilter sold by coffee parts online company?
                            Sorry for asking so many questions at once. Would be very grateful for you advice and experience in this issue.
                            1) No, if you buy a branded basket rated at 25g, it should have a distribution of holes in the base designed to accommodate that mass. No problem.
                            2) With reasonable technique you should be able to extract at least 50g (which will produce quite a bit more than 50mls) of good espresso.
                            3) Not going there. The purpose of this site is not to promote e-bay. Roll the dice if you like. What's wrong with buying from the people who sold you the machine?

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                            • #29
                              Ill chev, one suggestion which is time effective, keeps flavours the same and won't cost any more is to make two shots immediately after each other. Make one, clean the portafilter and make the next. You can then pour into one cup or leave in two. If you use double wall glass they will lose barely any heat while drinking. Probably adds 2 minutes to your morning.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
                                3) Not going there. The purpose of this site is not to promote e-bay. Roll the dice if you like. What's wrong with buying from the people who sold you the machine?
                                Accusation a few posts above, rather than just asking if anyone got a second portafilter with their machine. I am sure they would be civil even after this.
                                Last edited by 338; 13 June 2019, 11:18 PM.

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