New Sunbeam Torino triple thermoblock

[LeroyC]

Not even copied the design LeroyC, made to look like an E61 group head, but it ain't, far from it.

Bit like the Jeep these guys built
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Good effort, but, it ain't a Jeep.

LOL! Yeah it's almost that bad. It's a fairly cheap and cynical cash grab.

[Yelta]

So you mean similar in looks only? Is this just because of the exposed group head? In that case it would also be similar to VBM, Rocket, Profitec, Bezzera, La Nuova Era, Isomac and other prosumer espresso machines. So basically that confirms they've copied a design simply for the purposes of aesthetics.

Not even copied the design LeroyC, made to look like an E61 group head, but it ain't, far from it.

Bit like the Jeep these guys built

Good effort, but, it ain't a Jeep.

[LeroyC]

I have tested this machine at Harvey Norman Bondi few days back. It's very cool looking machine, functions exactly what its supposed to, but does not have a Wow impression to me.

the gauge clicked at 12 to 13 bar (in the red area). The coffee comes out, however not as thick as expected the result was OK but not fantastic.
The steamer on this Torino machine can be adjust in term of dryness....but it use the same mechanical part in most of Sunbeam coffee machine. It may look like a dial switch where people think they can adjust the how strong the steam is by turning it more/less. Well, it is appeared to me just purely switch ON/OFF. This is disappointment to me, my old Sunbeam 10 years before did just exactly that. Giving circumstance that this machine is out to compete with Bellevue top of the line, this is a step back; the steam level in Breville does adjust the current of the steam stream.


The quality of coffee wise, ECM is better (quite gap there); Breville BES 920 will be the next in line. (I have included the ECM here as the look of Sunbeam new machine is exactly look like ECM, they may try to simulate here). I have opened Sunbeam, Breville and ECM machine, the inside part of Sunbeam and Breville have nothing comparing to ECM but they do last long enough. Again, sadly, the quality of parts used in Sumbean are not that great. Thus, I do have reluctance to favour the new Sunbeam; as haven't open it yet.

I've taken the liberty of highlighting what seem to be the key points from someone that has actually tested this machine (admittedly just once). It's doesn't sound great really. In reality it's probably only marginally better than EM4820 that I've got at work that I picked up for $13 at the local auction house.

[LeroyC]

similar to those made by ECM (Professional German Brand, double price); and it is the look that pulled me in for a trial.

So you mean similar in looks only? Is this just because of the exposed group head? In that case it would also be similar to VBM, Rocket, Profitec, Bezzera, La Nuova Era, Isomac and other prosumer espresso machines. So basically that confirms they've copied a design simply for the purposes of aesthetics.

[Yelta]

They're taking the pi$$.

Yep, all the way to the bank.

[TC]

I can't see how any plastic appliance which will ultimately end up at the tip is worth much more than $1k.

I'd bet Sumbean are landing these for $400-500 max. They're taking the pi$$.

[kyeba]

Imho you'd be a turkey to pay $2000 for this over a Vbm jnr

[readeral]

Wow.. So many words, so little information. I think what I took away is that the look of a machine is very important to you.

[ntsoftcoffee]

New Sunbeam Torino

I have tested this machine at Harvey Norman Bondi few days back. It's very cool looking machine, similar to those made by ECM (Professional German Brand, double price); and it is the look that pulled me in for a trial. The machine functions exactly what its supposed to, but does not have a Wow impression to me.

Have owned number of coffee machine before including Sunbeam, I think Sunbeam has outdone themselves in designing, it've got style and well built. The machine worth the money on the look, every cent.
While making my double short exp there, the gauge clicked at 12 to 13 bar (in the red area) from the coffee grinded by the grinder comes with it. The coffee comes out, however not as thick as expected; does have beautiful caramel colour though. The reason can be various, but to me the result was OK but not fantastic. It does have program to soak the coffee for few second before really pumping the water through (similar to the first 8 second from Breville BES920).

The steamer on this Torino machine can be adjust in term of dryness....but it use the same mechanical part in most of Sunbeam coffee machine. It may look like a dial switch where people think they can adjust the how strong the steam is by turning it more/less. Well, it is appeared to me just purely switch ON/OFF. This is disappointment to me, my old Sunbeam 10 years before did just exactly that. Giving circumstance that this machine is out to compete with Bellevue top of the line, this is a step back; the steam level in Breville does adjust the current of the steam stream.

The grinder again, does look really cool too; and it has design of professional grinder that you may find in normal coffee shop. If you want to compare with LCD featured Breville grinder, its really up to your choice as to me functional wise, they are the same. Some will find the LCD may be more intuitive....

The quality of coffee wise, ECM is better (quite gap there); Breville BES 920 will be the next in line. (I have included the ECM here as the look of Sunbeam new machine is exactly look like ECM, they may try to simulate here). I have opened Sunbeam, Breville and ECM machine, the inside part of Sunbeam and Breville have nothing comparing to ECM but they do last long enough. Again, sadly, the quality of parts used in Sumbean are not that great. Thus, I do have reluctance to favour the new Sunbeam; as haven't open it yet.

Conclusion, the new Sunbeam Torino is balanced combination of the look and the quality. For 1900, this coffee baby does pretty good job, will mostly satisfy everyone. It's just unsure that how will it compete well with some alternative like BES920 from Breville, which you can grab at $1200 or $1400 included grinder (I bought one as gift from David Jone last Xmas for 1200 included grinder, same offer from Binglee for 1350 last year); and it does make slightly better coffee (thicker, drier).

Hope it help you guy to choose.

[Yelta]

I doubt they will establish the kind of reputation the bdv has

Morning tbnb, wonder if you would mind telling us a little about your perception of the reputation of the BDV [sic]

Re the Torino, loved the line quoted by rederal "inspired by the classic italian e61 group handle that I use all day inside my cafe delivering great quality coffee and great quality extractions" meaningless.

$2000 price tag! as Chris commented "dreamin" at least they didn't call it the Gran Torino.

[Melbroaster]

The only comparison that I admit to being curious about is the shot quality of the Torino vs the BDB considering the Torino claims re: temp stability.

[TC]

I'm really not sure you could compare this to an ECM...

I'm really sure that you can't compare it to anything other than another appliance machine.

[readeral]

I'm really not sure you could compare this to an ECM...

[gruntguru]

I'm curious where they've put the 3rd thermoblock, whether it's for the steam or the brew, or if it's in line with both.

Also it says 'stainless steel and cast metal' so I reckon it's still mostly aluminium.

From the Sunbeam website. Sounds like two thermoblocks in the brew circuit.

Two of the thermoblocks are dedicated to ensure optimum temperature stability. . . . . .The third thermoblock provides simultaneous, powerful steam performance for professional silky milk texturing.

[TampIt]

Haven't seen one live, but noticed this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifdv7H6MxgY
Bit surprised they'd put that up.... Not sure it's the best looking extraction?

G'day robsal

Yep, instant sink shot in my book (I have thrown out much better pours than that).

FWIW, It would have to be able to do a lot better than that to be more than a toy - and I am pretty sure it could do a lot better than that...

TampIt