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  • Suggestions for replacement of San Marino Compact

    I don't know whether what I am seeking exists or not, but here goes.

    I want to replace my San Marino Compact CK which is now 15 years old with something that is, hopefully, better.

    Things that I think I want (Not in particular order):

    1. Energy efficiency - many machines these days seem to have thermal components exposed to air where heat loss is significant. I am unconcerned about aesthetics and much more concerned with function, so pretty chrome bits on the front just means heat/power wastage to me.

    2. Insulated boiler compartment, completely thermally separated from PID controller/other electronics/electrical components as excessive heat and electricals are never good company.

    3. Probably a HX machine again, as my reading on this forum seems to suggest I don't require more in a low volume domestic environment. (But I'm open to advice on this).

    4. I live in far Nth Queensland so am really dependent on servicing the machine myself and ordering parts online. So servicing needs to be fairly straightforward as does access to parts online etc.

    5. Commercial type Groupe - goes without saying really.

    6. Option for plumbing in, but internal tank at this stage (I never plumbed in the San Marino, just installed water filters for it).

    7. Rotary Pump?

    8. Easy cleaning, draining trays etc.

    9. Quality internal plumbing and boiler construction. (I have a sneaking suspicion that machine construction quality and weight have a positive correlation!

    I have a MahlKonig Vario V2 Grinder and would continue to use that.

    I assume I am looking somewhere between $2000-$4000, although I would need some convincing at the high end.

    Any advice greatly appreciated so I can arrange demo on my next trip to the frozen south.

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    A well thought through brief but it goes a little beyond my level of expertise... which is not saying much. If you don't get useful suggestions, you could try getting sponsors attention by using the quote form (see below)... I'm sure they will know whether what they have will fit your brief.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by WantRancilio10 View Post
      A well thought through brief but it goes a little beyond my level of expertise... which is not saying much. If you don't get useful suggestions, you could try getting sponsors attention by using the quote form (see below)... I'm sure they will know whether what they have will fit your brief.
      I might try the quote system in a few days. Was just hopeful that some smart coffee snobbers out there might have some creative advice before approaching suppliers. Thanks for your input.

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      • #4
        G'day gc...

        Given any thought to a Lever Machine, such as the Bezzera Strega for example...
        Bezzera Strega - Di Bartoli

        Sits within your budget range, simple construction and the ability to produce truly excellent coffee...

        Mal.

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        • #5
          Another vote for a lever. I'm very happy with my Londinium. A very simple and rugged machine with great support from the supplier.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Dimal View Post
            G'day gc...

            Given any thought to a Lever Machine, such as the Bezzera Strega for example...
            Bezzera Strega - Di Bartoli

            Sits within your budget range, simple construction and the ability to produce truly excellent coffee...

            Mal.
            I haven't thought about a lever machine before. I've spent some time today looking them up. Not sure I've got my head around the benefit, (what is the advantage of the lever machine with HX like the Bezzera Strega?), but if Di Bartoli have one in action I'll definitely go and watch them pull a couple of shots when I'm in Sydney. Is servicing easy with a lever machine? I assume that seals, springs etc are easily replaceable?

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            • #7
              In a nutshell, large Lever machines produce espresso as it was intended to be, and all the super specialised pump machines try to emulate to a lesser or similar degree, but never better....

              If you are heading into Sydney then it would really be worth your while to visit Renzo and Ofra at Di Bartoli, maybe contact them before you drop in so that they can arrange some comparison demos for you. I'm sure you'll be impressed...

              Mal.

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              • #8
                Will do. Have been speaking to Renzo this week on an unrelated warranty issue which he was most helpful with.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dimal View Post
                  In a nutshell, large Lever machines produce espresso as it was intended to be, and all the super specialised pump machines try to emulate to a lesser or similar degree, but never better....

                  If you are heading into Sydney then it would really be worth your while to visit Renzo and Ofra at Di Bartoli, maybe contact them before you drop in so that they can arrange some comparison demos for you. I'm sure you'll be impressed...

                  Mal.
                  The voice of reason.

                  Like your logic Mal, the best shots I can recall have all come from lever machines operated by experienced and skillful people.

                  Were I 20 years younger I suspect I'd buy something along the lines of a Strega, but I'm not, so will stick with the Domus Galatea.

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                  • #10
                    An espresso from a large lever machine is like that first kiss!

                    Gli angeli cantano

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                    • #11
                      hmmm if this becomes a lever driven wank fest.... count me out

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Yelta View Post
                        ........by experienced and skillful people.

                        Were I 20 years younger I suspect I'd buy something along the lines of a Strega, but I'm not, so will stick with the Domus Galatea.
                        After looking at some demo's on Youtube I think this might be my situation too.

                        One important reason I am looking to replace the San Marino Compact is that over time it has become less consistent in its pour. Although I usually service it myself, I have had it serviced professionally to see if I had missed something (apparently not); replaced grinder with MahlKonig. So in the end figured that the machine and me are just ageing. At least I can replace the machine! So at this stage of life I am after a reliable machine that is CONSISTENT in its performance. Should have mentioned this in OP but apparently can't edit it.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by WantRancilio10 View Post
                          hmmm if this becomes a lever driven wank fest.... count me out
                          Thanks for your most valuable contribution to the discussion. I am sure the OP will find it of great value

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                          • #14
                            oh, bugger... I've copped TC sarcasm. Sorry for the vulgarity in the above. The OP listed quite specific criteria - I will try to stick to those

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by WantRancilio10 View Post
                              hmmm if this becomes a lever driven wank fest.... count me out
                              Why did you feel this was necessary.

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