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Most home RO systems now come with a remineralizing cartridge. Even those with-out one may be suitable for use in an espresso machine as home RO units do not output pure/lab grade water.
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i mean thats what I got to work for, and from what I hear RO water is good to use but (and is a real big) it can reduce your sot taste.Originally posted by wattgn View PostRO is the worst possible source of water, highly corrosive to boiler and lines. Best water actually has slight tendency to scale and alkaline.
unless if i get the profitec pro 700 with plumb in with the bwt bestmax but i alreday have a water filter alreday in, the one we drink our water in the RO membrane filter; it is a Coway CHP-250 if that helps
but that would cost a big price tag if i am able to put another water filter onto our alreday one
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Well they've been using them on commercial machines for 30 odd years so they can't be too bad. Unless the reasons for this person's dislike for them were clearly explained I'd say they were either a muppet, or doing a sales job and steering you towards a machine that had a better margin.Originally posted by wattgn View PostI guess simple enough. They sell the range of ECM machines and they had customers who had complained that they didn't like the joy stick controls after they bought them. I think he didn't like them either. He was the service guy who has been there for a long time, a long time. I was surprised and I know opinions are just that, it can vary.
I still think it is risky business going to these controls. It follows fashion but fashion can change. I just think normal valves are not a problem and therefore doesn't require a solution. I would personally want to use the machine if it had joy stick valves before buying it and be 100% sure it is what I want.
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I dont think so. It was an honest opinion. In the direction was down in price as the Technika was the most expensive of the ECM machines they had.Originally posted by LeroyC View PostWell they've been using them on commercial machines for 30 odd years so they can't be too bad. Unless the reasons for this person's dislike for them were clearly explained I'd say they were either a muppet, or doing a sales job and steering you towards a machine that had a better margin.
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Down in price can still mean up in margin. But assuming that wasn't the reason for the opinion why didn't he like them? Was it levers in general or just the ECM ones? I don't have heaps of experience with them, but I really liked them when I used them on my old Faema Due.Originally posted by wattgn View PostI dont think so. It was an honest opinion. In the direction was down in price as the Technika was the most expensive of the ECM machines they had.
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The only problem I see from that perspective though, is that the more you throttle the steam output, the cooler the resulting steam will be and probably more condensate too. With full steam output being used, have always found that using the correct size jug for the amount of milk to be textured, resulted in the best quality milk afterwards - Always more creamy and silky...Originally posted by K_Bean_CoffeeHowever, knobs have an upside in that they allow you to control pressure.
Cheers, Paul
Always have about 4-5 different sized milk jugs on hand, but mostly only use 2-3 of them.
Mal.
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Resurrecting on old thread.
I also am looking am looking to upgrade/change from my VBM Jnr HX (which has been great BTW) and like the look of the Pro 500, Mozzafiato Evoluzione R (2017 Rocket) and the ECM T IV profi.
Obviously there is the vibe of the Pro 500 difference, but then things get pretty closely matched.
One thing I have read is Pro 500 vs ECM vs Rocket in boiler material is Copper vs SS vs Copper with different end plates not sure what that means, and knobs vs levers as discussed above.
Aesthetically I like them all, with the rocket having the tick, though my head says the ECM has is over the other two regarding the position of the gauges as I reckon some water staining may be likely as I don't religiously clean the outside of the machine now.
I guess any previous experience from others regarding reliability would be appreciated, though I am aware that all machines can have niggles regardless of their manufacturer.
So looking to hear opinions.
Ta
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Hi piccoloman.
I have owned the Pro 500 for almost two years now and have had no issues or regrets. It's a great machine.
Almost bought the ECM, they are very similar, really just came down to a coin flip.
Although the other two brands were on my initial list, I quickly zeroed in on these two brands as the German engineered/Italian made appealed to me.
As I don't have any first hand experience with the Rocket or VBM, I'll let other owners comment on them.
Good luck with your purchase.
Mal
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My 2008 Rocket Premium - still going strong - has the brass end plates. It is my guess that the boiler end plates being flat brass is used because it is stronger. I don't think I have see on this forum a problem mentioned with these end plates. Mine look as good as on the day I first used the machine.
I have see problems with stainless steel mentioned.
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Brewster, good to hear. How have the gauges gone, any water staining over time, from splashing or steam residue?I have owned the Pro 500 for almost two years now
in regards to boiler materials, I vaguely remember reading about stainless steel possibly being higher long term maintenance? Not sure if true or not.
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Gauges are fine, no problems with steam, water stains or anything else. Having said that, I do wipe any splashes after every session, it only takes a few seconds and keeps every thing nice and shineyOriginally posted by piccoloman View PostBrewster, good to hear. How have the gauges gone, any water staining over time, from splashing or steam residue?
in regards to boiler materials, I vaguely remember reading about stainless steel possibly being higher long term maintenance? Not sure if true or not.
As for the stainless steel boilers, like a lot of things, there are arguments for and against. I won't offer an opinion either way as it didn't play a role in my decision.
I believe that sometimes we overthink these kind of things. In my opinion, most machines in this price bracket are of a high standard, and with a minimum of TLC and will not let you down.
Cheers
Mal
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Your are correct about overthinking, but it is part of the fun.Originally posted by Brewster View PostGauges are fine, no problems with steam, water stains or anything else. Having said that, I do wipe any splashes after every session, it only takes a few seconds and keeps every thing nice and shiney
As for the stainless steel boilers, like a lot of things, there are arguments for and against. I won't offer an opinion either way as it didn't play a role in my decision.
I believe that sometimes we overthink these kind of things. In my opinion, most machines in this price bracket are of a high standard, and with a minimum of TLC and will not let you down.
Cheers
Mal
Thanks for for the info.
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Hi again piccoloman.How have the gauges gone, any water staining over time, from splashing or steam residue?
After your questions regarding water stains on the Pro 500 gauges, I took particular notice of splashing when making my afternoon coffee today.
I'm happy to say that no water splashed on the gauges at all. The bit of splashing that occurred during back flushing was mostly on the lip just above the drip tray.
Mal
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