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  • theblademan
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    Thanks guys for your responses and the links, very informative reading

    Most likely getting the Rocket

    Happy holidays to all!

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  • DiBort
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    Originally posted by Dimal View Post
    Excellent document/guide Guys...

    Mal.
    Coming from you Mal, it's a great compliment! Thank you [emoji4]
    Ofra

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  • Dimal
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    Excellent document/guide Guys...

    Mal.

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  • DiBort
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    Or http://dibartoli.com.au/product_imag...IDE_112016.pdf [emoji39]

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  • Casa Espresso
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    Originally posted by symphonie View Post
    Bezzera does not make dual boiler machines as far as I know. Mitica top is probably no exception. And it seems there's a consensus here that PID does not give you extra performance on HX.

    Mitica vs R58 I'd take R58 any day of the week, but it all comes down to if you need/can justify the cost of a dual boiler or not.
    Yes Bezzera don't have a dual boiler variant so the PID benefits on this model are very subjective.

    I would imagine pricing is different, but if its a dual boiler PID machine you want the R58 would be my choice here.

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  • matth3wh
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    Symphonie, if I had money for the Rocket R58 I'd go for that option too :-)

    Found this pic of the Mitica Top PID (2016 LED-SWITCH) on a German site.

    Specifications:
    - TEMPERATURE CONTROL BY PID
    - Casing of stainless steel AISI 304, finishes welded edges and hand polished
    - HX boiler
    - Coffee group E61
    - "No burn" steam wand
    - ROTARY pump
    - Double pressure gauge reading boiler pressure and coffee extraction pressure
    - Direct water connection
    - Removable water tank capacity Lt. 4
    - Capacity boiler 2 Lt
    - Filter holder chromed steel diam. 58mm
    - Power supply 220 Volt 50 Hz Plug Shuko
    - Power consumption W 1350
    - Dimensions L320 x P450 x H400 mm
    - Weight 26,7 Kg
    Accessories: filter-holder for 1 cup, filter-holder for 2 cups, blind filter, i plastic tamper



    Back panel now has back lighting on the logo...




    Bezzera - Host 2015 - BZ 16 & Mitica with PID @



    Rocket R58 - check it out on Talk Coffee's site



    Stats
    Boiler Capacity brew 0.58L, steam 1.7L
    Fresh Water Tank 2.5L tank or plumbed
    Voltage 220-240V 50Hz
    Power consumption brew 1400W, steam 1600W (Max consumption 1750W)
    Dimensions (W x D x H) 31 x 44 x 38.5 cm
    Pump Rotary
    Weight 29kg

    REF: From Talk Coffee's page...

    Easy fill via removable plate on cup warmer Drip tray is small- but can be drained in this configuration
    Removable PID controller- store in a draw when not required Somewhat fiddly wire serial pin printer cable style connection. Machine must be switched off and on to communicate
    Cool touch wands Employs powdercoat chassis unlike the stainless steel of some competitors
    Excellent steam tip for easy milk texture
    Beautiful Faema style steam and hot water valve handles
    Ageless, minimalist design
    Last edited by matth3wh; 9 December 2016, 11:36 AM.

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  • symphonie
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    Bezzera does not make dual boiler machines as far as I know. Mitica top is probably no exception. And it seems there's a consensus here that PID does not give you extra performance on HX.

    Mitica vs R58 I'd take R58 any day of the week, but it all comes down to if you need/can justify the cost of a dual boiler or not.

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  • theblademan
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    Hey Matt, thanks for the welcome, I appreciate your comments

    The Bezerra is actually a MITICA TOP, PID version as offered by its distro here
    It has a dual boiler, rotary pump with temp controlled via PID

    I'm in Manila, by the way

    There are other brands available here, however the models for sale are either too expensive or have none
    of the features that I THINK an espresso machine should have

    Any idea what the top selling brands in Australia are far as these machines are concerned ?

    thanks

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  • matth3wh
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    Hi blademan. As it's your first post. Welcome to CS!

    Are you located in US?
    I noticed that you posted this question on HB.

    As far as I know the Mitica PID is not yet available in AU.

    And no spec of it that I can find on the Bezzera .it

    I have seen mention of it at trade show videos but no more details.

    The rocket r58 is dual boiler with PID and the standard Mitica is heat exchanger. Unless the PID version is a departure from that.

    I notice Bezzera have a lot more models available around the world than are available in AU.

    Let us know if you find anything on the Mitica PID spec.

    That leaves the Rocket as the winner based on the two options you've given as least in the AU market. The Rocket should give you better temp stability. Some would argue better build quality and looks too.

    Interested to know how you came to these two machines?

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  • theblademan
    started a topic Rocket r58 or Bezerra Mitica PID

    Rocket r58 or Bezerra Mitica PID

    Hi guys

    Please kindly help me choose between these 2 machines- Rocket r58 vs. Mitica PID

    I'm coming from a Delonghi superautomatic and would like to upgrade to a better setup for the house

    Please kindly tell me why you would choose one over the other

    Thanks all
    Regards
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