Upgrade my 2002 Giotto to a new Giotto V3 PID ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

[Yelta]

Hi acdc,

I'd like to share with you few insights from Di Bartoli's experience, you may find it useful:

We also see 10+ years Bezzeras, Wegas, and some Isomacs. This means 2 things:
1. These brands do stand the test of time
2. Other brands may as well, but just too young to be part of the 10+ years stats.


Ofra

Bit like trying to pick a winner in a horse race Ofra, plenty to consider, breeding, track record, trainers reputation etc, or you can walk over to the mounting yard and pick some glossy show pony bouncing around like a jumping bean, probably won't see the distance but geez! don't it look good.

[flynnaus]

The consensus is that the upgrade from a Giotto Classic 2002 to a Giotto Premium Plus V3 isn't really worth it. I agree with this if the intent is to obtain a better coffee, assuming acdc's Giotto is in good nick. Likewise with the Rocky: you might need to head into conical grinder territory to achieve a better result in the cup (assuming the Rocky's burrs are in good nick) .

However, I do agree with Ofra (Di Bartoli) and the "peace of mind" factor. I would recommend flogging the Giotto and Rocky while (or if) in still good working condition and investing in a new package deal. From that point of view, upgrading to a Rocket Giotto V3 is a sensible upgrade but also consider other equipment. As Yelta suggested, stick with the tried and proven brands like Rocket, VBM, Bezzera for proven quality and longevity.

[DiBort]

Bit like trying to pick a winner in a horse race Ofra, plenty to consider, breeding, track record, trainers reputation etc, or you can walk over to the mounting yard and pick some glossy show pony bouncing around like a jumping bean, probably won't see the distance but geez! don't it look good.

I agree totally, Yelta, but you'll be surprised how many of the 10,000 aspiring home Baristas passing our doors in the last 11 years in di bartoli have asked us that question. It may not be relevant to you but our research shows that longevity is rated high in the overall decision making of most people looking for these level of machines. If getting an inside information from someone who'd been fixing these machines for the past 15 years on what breaks, why and how often isn't an indication to overall brand longevity I don't know what is. Mind you, we always start the sentence with: 'over 70% of all breakdowns are attributed to user's operation'..
There isn't only 1 factor one should base their decision on. But there is always that 1 or 2 factors which will sway the verdict to one side or the other as all other factors are similar. For some it's the size of the boiler, for others location, or for others reputation, pedigree, brand recognition and history. Breakdown statistic will fall into the latter.