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  • #16
    Originally posted by sacsnob View Post
    I've owned VBM junior for some time now and have been pretty happy with it. The reasons I'd choose it over Giotto are;
    3. Sirai pressure stat vs mater on Giotto.
    I would be interested to hear why you think Sirai is better than Mater. There was a dodgy bunch of Mater pstats many years ago but I'm pretty sure that is no longer the case or manufacturers like Rocket would not be using them.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by flynnaus View Post
      I would be interested to hear why you think Sirai is better than Mater. There was a dodgy bunch of Mater pstats many years ago but I'm pretty sure that is no longer the case or manufacturers like Rocket would not be using them.
      Agreed Flynn,

      There is no particular advantage of either brand of pressure stats when you are comparing like for like.

      There is a difference between domestic and commercial versions in each, and sometimes i think that's where the "Mater is better then Sirai " or vice a versa comes in.

      From an industry perspective both Matter and Sirai have both had their "dodgy" batches over the last 7 years effecting multiple brands of machines.

      Cheers

      Antony
      www.casaespresso.com.au

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      • #18
        The VBM Domobar Jr has a Stainless Steel frame and body with a reputation for durability due to commercial quality parts being used. It has both a Brew and a Boiler pressure gauge mounted high for good visibility. A 1.45L insulated boiler with a 1600W heating element for relatively quick heating/recovery.

        This machine was recommended as the go to in the 2k odd price range by a couple of site sponsors in the past. Spares are readily available too.

        Having said that, if by chance the heating element ever needed to be changed apparently there's a fair bit of dismantling to do along with the associated cost. Not sure about the other brands.

        Comes down to your final budget, what you like the look of and who you have near by for support and servicing. The other machines mentioned will no doubt do an equal job of brewing your espresso.

        Another grinder to consider is the no frills Compak K3 push. They pop up at a good price from time to time.

        Distributor links -

        https://espressocompany.com.au/produ...obar-junior-hx

        https://espressocompany.com.au/produ...machine-test-1
        Last edited by CafeLotta; 16 March 2018, 11:23 AM.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by flynnaus View Post
          I would be interested to hear why you think Sirai is better than Mater. There was a dodgy bunch of Mater pstats many years ago but I'm pretty sure that is no longer the case or manufacturers like Rocket would not be using them.
          I am not saying Mater is bad, however given the choice between Sirai and Mater I'd always choose Sirai, price wise its twice as much as Mater and I find it a lot easier to adjust the pressure. Consensus here seems to be it lasts longer however costs more to replace.

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          • #20
            Have got some feedback about the Domobar Junior that may be helpful in making the final decision.
            This is a quote from a very prominent and respected Australian professional...

            We dropped the Domobar Junior from range in 2017 after too many major $800+ boiler out services. Potentials should be mindful. I have told ECA I will not range it again until it improves massively.

            When people ask me why we won’t sell it anymore they get this: We dropped it from range: Impossible to change the anti-vac and safety valve. That ground wire on the steam boiler exposed to ~123C goes crisp and results in overfills due to massive resistance. Live wires around potential water vapour. Excess heat cooks control boards. Boiler out services inevitably result in $$$$ repairs at 5 years. Refused to sell them unless VBM does something.
            As always, helps to know a bit more about a product from someone who has had to deal with returns over the years...

            Mal.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Dimal View Post
              Have got some feedback about the Domobar Junior that may be helpful in making the final decision.
              This is a quote from a very prominent and respected Australian professional...



              As always, helps to know a bit more about a product from someone who has had to deal with returns over the years...

              Mal.
              And yet, I purchased a second hand Domobar Junior from a CSer five years ago and it is still going strong. It was a couple of years old already. It fits the space in my kitchen and it works perfectly for me.

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              • #22
                Maarp,

                I don't mean to muddy the water or make your decision more difficult but the one thing I can tell you is that the quality of your espresso depends mainly on you, although a good quality grinder does make it a little easier to get to where you want to be. I have a Rancilio Silvia and a ECM Giotto which is the predecessor to the Rocket Giotto. I have a Rancilio Rocky doserless grinder and a Macap M4 doser grinder. I can make great coffee on both machines using either grinder. All it takes is time to figure out what grind works best for each machine. What I have learned is that the Macap grinder works better with the Silvia because you can make micro adjustments to the grind thanks to the stepless worm drive adjustment mechanism. I am able to use the Rocky grinder with the Giotto because it is a bit more forgiving on the grind. I know it is a difficult decision to make because of the money but in the end you can shell out $1000.00 on a grinder and $3000.00 on a machine and still make terrible espresso. Then again if you are patient and are willing to experiment you can buy a good quality grinder and an average machine and turn out awesome espresso. Just 2 cents worth from someone who has been there.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Dimal View Post
                  As always, helps to know a bit more about a product from someone who has had to deal with returns over the years...
                  Fair point Mal as long as there are no commercial issues at play. Over time there have been many different brand/model machines that have had issues peculiar to their individual build & design. Some have evolved with updated versions over time, some haven't.

                  I suppose searching forums like CS adds a bit more to the discussion with end users never being shy to point out the problems they've had with certain machines.

                  If its the same guy I'm thinking of, I remember him always recommending a particular machine as the go to in a certain price range until he sold out and then another one that was in stock took its place. Just an observation from past times. The VBM Domobar Jr in its price range was also his go to for quite a long time on his store website. I noticed he no longer stocks VBM in general. I think the change of ownership with the distributor may have played a part too.

                  Correction - Previous post comment re: heating element replacement complexity and cost incorrect. Was thinking of a different model. My mistake!
                  Last edited by CafeLotta; 17 March 2018, 12:05 PM.

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                  • #24
                    Yes mate...
                    I think you have this comment confused with someone else.

                    Mal.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Dimal View Post
                      Yes mate...I think you have this comment confused with someone else. Mal.
                      Yep, verified this is not the same person. Sorry for the confusion.

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                      • #26
                        For what it is worth we have had similar service issues with the VBM listed above.

                        We don't sell them (never have) but do get them in for servicing.

                        IMO they haven't moved with the times and kept up with improvements from other and newer models

                        Cheers

                        Antony
                        www.casaespresso.com.au

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