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  • #16
    Originally posted by science-teacher View Post
    Now I suppose my main query is rocket appartamento vs giotto tipo V?
    My understanding is the giotto tipo v is the equivalent to the giotto premium everyone mentions?

    I don't really care about PID, apart from that I can't tell a huge difference.
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    Does that help? From what i remember when looking at Rockets is the Appartamento vs Giotto and Mozzafiato Tipo V (all vibe pumps) was that the Appartento was slightly noisier, but nothing to be super worried about and no PID. I'd care over the PID if was visible and had shot timer function. Personal choice but i'd take toggle/levers (ECM or Bezzera) or rotary knobs as thats what i like.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Mb21 View Post
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      Does that help? From what i remember when looking at Rockets is the Appartamento vs Giotto and Mozzafiato Tipo V (all vibe pumps) was that the Appartento was slightly noisier, but nothing to be super worried about and no PID. I'd care over the PID if was visible and had shot timer function. Personal choice but i'd take toggle/levers (ECM or Bezzera) or rotary knobs as thats what i like.
      Thanks mate, that does help. Wondering how there couldn't be more of a difference

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      • #18
        Originally posted by science-teacher View Post
        Unfortunately I live pretty far inland central Queensland and don't make it to Brisbane.
        Although not really a substitute for seeing machines in the flesh, sometimes you can pick up information from videos that you won't in text.

        YouTube may be a good place to start -

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yDyFi0UsE8

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaYFHhi-rek

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqOqSzXCGqk

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfxY-NEqIBI

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        • #19
          Agree i thought the same thing about ECM models as when you compare like for like pumps, i.e. vibe or rotary, there isn't really much difference at all. It seems to come down to aesthetics regarding price. When i look at say Appartmento vs say Mozzafiato (personally don't like Giotto) i can understand the price increase as body panels may cost more but not to the difference that they are.

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          • #20
            Appartamento vs Domobar Junior + No Appartamento's for sale used

            We have one hard to get machine available that may be an option . An ECM Tecnika with a vibe pump. Normally all the Tecnikas have rotary pumps here in Oz. I contacted the importer on Saturday he mentioned he had one vibe Tecknica available that we have on hold until Tuesday.
            Extra interesting is that they will supply the machine with the standard rotary taps OR swap (for me) to the toggles if a customer wanted.
            A vibe Tecknica with toggles.... Thats worth thinking about

            Contact us if interested.

            Antony
            (03) 9530 8992
            www.casaespresso.com.au

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            • #21
              My friend has a vibe technika that antony serviced recently. Makes fantastic coffee. He barely uses it so he'd probably sell it if you were interested in second hand

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              • #22
                Reading this thread with interest as I’m in the pre-purchase research phase. Looking at entry level E61 HX machines and the Domobar Jnr was high on my list. There’s also a number of nice options in the $2k region.

                For a few hundred $$ more there’s whole other set of quality options like the Apartmento. My question is what’s the main difference between these two price levels? i.e. what’s the main benefit of spending the extra $400 odd?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by arcachon View Post
                  My question is what’s the main difference between these two price levels? i.e. what’s the main benefit of spending the extra $400 odd?
                  Generally its a case of you get what you pay for. The extra dollars at this price range normally buys you better design/componets, possibly more up to date design and maybe extra features. The quality of finish usually goes up with the price also.

                  The Domobar Jr is an older design and seems to have fallen out of favor due to long term durability issues and labor intensive repair costs due to layout of internals. Do your research but most of the machines mentioned are of high quality and will give good service. Check for EOFY deals.
                  Last edited by CafeLotta; 27 June 2018, 12:25 PM.

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                  • #24
                    Thanks CL. Been doing a bit more research. Seems a lot of small upgrades across a number of areas dictates the difference between the $2k machines and the 2.5k. Some cosmetic, others more functional. I like the YouTube videos from Whole Latte Love. They get into a lot of detail.

                    Expobar Office Leva looks a great value machine. Another that caught my eye was the Cime co-01. Seems a decent kit for the coin. Not a lot of info online though.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by arcachon View Post
                      Expobar Office Leva looks a great value machine. Another that caught my eye was the Cime co-01. Seems a decent kit for the coin.
                      Some brands hold their value better than others. Trends can play a part too. Think about how long you plan to keep this purchase and whether resale value is important to you. Scanning the used machine market can give you a feel for what does and doesn't hold its value and if you can be bothered following them, how quickly they sell.

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                      • #26
                        Buying a new machine would be more long term investment for me so re-sale value not the highest priority. No doubt its easier to move a 2nd hand Bezzera, Rocket, ECM etc. Also make its harder to by a good 2nd hand one.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by arcachon View Post
                          Buying a new machine would be more long term investment for me so re-sale value not the highest priority. No doubt its easier to move a 2nd hand Bezzera, Rocket, ECM etc. Also make its harder to by a good 2nd hand one.
                          I picked up a 2nd hand Pro 500 from JetBlack and couldn't be happier. It's a wonderful machine and despite originally looking at cheaper machines I'm so glad I didn't. For me it's long term investment, and I want to be looking at the machine I wanted everyday, not some stand-in that gives me upgraditis. I also upgraded from a Sunbeam, I've worked on commercial machines in the past so knew what a good machine should feel like The 500 ticks all the boxes. You could hang on for a 2nd hand one to appear, r contact them and see what they have.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by crazyhakins View Post
                            You could hang on for a 2nd hand one to appear, r contact them and see what they have.
                            I can see a couple of ex-demo models on their site right now.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by crazyhakins View Post
                              I picked up a 2nd hand Pro 500
                              Congrats on a nice ex demo pickup. I picked up my profitec pro 500 new but I’m happy with that. I know if I ever decide to sell it there will be a cue for it and I won’t lose much. No plans to sell though so do my wait around for mine.
                              An ex demo or used quality machine is a good idea though so hunt like a Bear for one.
                              Grillsy Bear

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                              • #30
                                I've been able to provide some answer to my own question about the differences between the $2k and $2.5k machines. I popped into Coffee Machine Specialists / Barazi here in Brisbane to look at a few. Seeing them side by side you really notice the difference in fit and finish. Machines like the Isomac Tea and Expobar Leva look a little rough aroudn the edges (literally) compared to the likes of the Bezerra Mitica, Profitect Pro 500 etc. Its fair to assume this external quality difference is also an indicator of whats inside too.

                                I did have the Expobar Leva high in the list but after chatting with them its sounds like its repairs are quite challenging, mainly due to the internal layout. This would bump up the long term cost of ownership and eat into any up front saving. I've also dropped the Domobar Junior based on feedback in the other threads.

                                Interestingly they had a Cime co-11 on display. Came across as a very well built machine at the price. A shame they didn't have the co-01 there as this is one I'm considering. Its qulaity reflects that of the little cousin then it should be a very noce machine.

                                My list is narrowing down to the following

                                Cime co-01*
                                Bezzera Mitica/Magica
                                Bezzera Domus Galatea
                                Rocket Apartamento*
                                ECM Barista*

                                * yet to be viewed in the flesh

                                While I would love to add the Profitec Pro 500 to that list. Unfortunately the lowest price I've seen is around $2800 which is too much of a budget stretch.

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