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  • #16
    Re: Which machine?

    Originally posted by Dave_D link=1207354009/0#12 date=1207380198
    Thanks for taking the time to make a comprehensive answer Thundergod...it is very helpful.

    In deciding to upgrade from the Gaggia Classic...it is most certainly not just the coffee quality that Im considering, but the machines ability to handle those situations where you are called on to make more drinks than for just yourself and the missus.

    Was there much of a learning curve in adjusting to the Leva?

    Cheers,
    Dave
    Hi Dave, this response led me to ponder a little further....

    Im not sure that a VBM is so much an upgrade from where you currently are :-/.

    It has far superior build and specifications and you will get that god shot fore frequently- (with suitable skills), however the coffee making exerience will be the same as what you currently experience, just at a whole new level of excellence.

    I have little doubt that a Domobar Levetta represents an example of best of the dual purpose class, but ultimately, its a single boiler machine just like your current machine.

    I maintain my original call that its probably well worth saving a few more $$$, even if you have to hold off for a while and heading in the direction of a HX machine.

    regards

    Chris

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    • #17
      Re: Which machine?

      Thanks for your responses...its decision time :-?

      Cheers,
      Dave

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      • #18
        Re: Which machine?

        I have been doing some more reading since last posting and I notice in various places that some folk say that temperature control can be a problem with a HX machine, and can require larger cooling flushes...hence lots of refills.

        Does this mean for the well intentioned amateur like me that I might be in over my head with such a machine?

        Would consideration of a dual bolier machine be a good idea?

        I would appreciate any thoughts on this.

        Cheers,
        Dave

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        • #19
          Re: Which machine?

          I got the hang of my Expobar Leva easily enough and its my first machine.
          Dont let it scare you off.
          Still, the Minore II is an option if you want less hassle for some extra dollars.

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          • #20
            Re: Which machine?

            Originally posted by Dave_D link=1207354009/15#17 date=1207658762
            I have been doing some more reading since last posting and I notice in various places that some folk say that temperature control can be a problem with a HX machine, and can require larger cooling flushes...hence lots of refills.

            Does this mean for the well intentioned amateur like me that I might be in over my head with such a machine?  

            Would consideration of a dual bolier machine be a good idea?

            I would appreciate any thoughts on this.

            Cheers,
            Dave
            Hi Dave,

            No need to worry. All machines need a flush- even if only to rinse off the group head. Bottom line is if you dont like the look of the water (e.g obviously on the boil), reject it and when youre happy, do your thing.

            Many of the US websites have reviews of dramatically different spec. machines to ours. For example, the Expobar eb-61 leva in US spec can require a huge flush. Aussie machines are set up differently and TG will support that its an easy machine to use.

            The Makin is excellent in this respect as is the Giotto with thermostability mods. I hear this bloke from Talk Coffee modifies them to decrease the cooling flush even further....amongst other things ...

            Good luck

            Chris

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            • #21
              Re: Which machine?

              Originally posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1207354009/15#19 date=1207672341
              The Makin is excellent in this respect as is the Giotto with thermostability mods. I hear this bloke from Talk Coffee modifies them to decrease the cooling flush even further....amongst other things ...
              ...such as... (probe, probe, probe)

              Dave, definitely dont be scared off the HXs with cooling flushes etc. Like the fellas have said, youll be flushing no matter what.

              As Ive really only used for an extended period of time, my own machine, I can say the Minore is reletively easy to use :... it seriously didnt take me long to get to a point where I was getting v.drinkable shots consistently. Then once thats in place, theres all the fun stuff of temp control & tweaking etc.

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              • #22
                Re: Which machine?

                And having had my giotto pimped by Talk Coffee, I find that I dont need to run a cooling flush at all...then again, if you drink more coffee, the group head wont get a chance to get too hot!

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                • #23
                  Re: Which machine?

                  Hi Dave,

                  Ive owned a VBM Domobar Levetta since October last year, and it does all I need to do.

                  If Im doing four or 6 milk drinks at a time, Ill pull the three doubles, then texture the milk after that. I line up two jugs of milk, and first texture the 750ml Motta, then the 600ml jug.

                  Although Ive not tried it, I see no reason the Levetta could not texture a one litre jug. Chris could probably verify or otherwise on that.

                  The Levetta does have really very good steaming power...not very far off a commercial machine, at least if you wait until 3 bars of pressure.

                  Trevorbeans

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