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  • gyrex
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    I'm a little late to this thread but my first espresso machine was a Sunbeam Cafe Series which I bought around 15 years ago and it only lasted around 4 years. Afterwards, I briefly went to a Nespresso style machine; then after realising my mistake I bought a Lelit Anna PL41LEM from Jet Black Espresso around 10 years ago. It's still working after pumping out 4-5 coffees a day over those 10 years and all I've done is descale the boiler and a weekly backflush with cleaner. It's been such a fantastic machine that I bought a second PL41LEM for our apartment in Poland.

    I'd never buy another consumer espresso appliance - the Italian machines are designed to work for longer periods of time, produce a better coffee and well and truly pay for themselves over this time. Go for the Italian machine...

    I'm about to upgrade my little Lelit Anna to the Lelit Mara X.

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  • Aaron
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    I know its not for everyone, but If you're handy, you can pick up a used machine that needs a service. I have seen Giotto's that need the group rebuilt going for less than $1000. Its a bit of a project but like everyone on here has said, parts are readily available and there is heaps of support and advice on this site. You will save a ton of money and by the end you will be confident to maintain and service your machine.
    Not the same as walking into a shop and pointing at a lump of shiny stainless steel and saying "give me that one" but maybe something to consider.

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  • squibcakes
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    I think the Italian machines are WAY over priced for what they are.... but gee they look good in the kitchen!

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  • dbun
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    I agree. With a good grinder and good beans the BDB makes fantastic coffee.

  • wirecutter23
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    I’ve used the BDB and an ECM HX machine for a while and coffee between the two are very similar using the same beans and the same technique on each. I reckon the BDB is excellent value for money considering it’s a third of the price so if money is the main concern I’d lean towards the BDB and try to never lay eyes on a beautiful Italian made HX machine in hopes to delay the onset of upgradeitis

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  • dbun
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    The steam power of the BDB is not that strong, but it does get the job done.

    In someways it is good as the slow steam power is more forgiving as you get more time to work the milk.

  • squibcakes
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    The BDB takes a lot longer to steam the same amount of milk. If you drink a lot of large lattes expect it to take longer to make. Maybe his steam wand is blocked or maybe under powered I don't know.

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  • cscs
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    • Good day squibcakes,
      • I saw your following post and is hoping you can share some of your experience with ECM vSlim and BDB
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        I was in the same boat was seriously looking at the BDB, and I still think it is one of the best bang for bucks with the PID. I just don't like the look of it and it's huge! I ended up getting the ECM Slim. After about 1 month I then ditched the BSG grinder and bought the NZ grinder. (Factor in grinder and water filtration costs)

        The HX with E61 does take a good 30 mins to warm up - and you do go through some water. I've done a little bit of maintenance, greased the E61 cam, adjusted the pressure stat etc which is all dead easy to do.

        My neighbor has the the BDB, and the steam performance is night and day between the two... I don't think there is much difference in coffee quality.
        >>>

        when you said "the steam performance is night and day between the two" , do you mean the steam performance in V slim is dryer, stronger and better than BDB? Ta mate.

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  • cscs
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    Good day squibcakes,

    I saw your following post and is hoping you can share some of your experience with ECM vSlim and BDB

    <<<
    I was in the same boat was seriously looking at the BDB, and I still think it is one of the best bang for bucks with the PID. I just don't like the look of it and it's huge! I ended up getting the ECM Slim. After about 1 month I then ditched the BSG grinder and bought the NZ grinder. (Factor in grinder and water filtration costs)

    The HX with E61 does take a good 30 mins to warm up - and you do go through some water. I've done a little bit of maintenance, greased the E61 cam, adjusted the pressure stat etc which is all dead easy to do.

    My neighbor has the the BDB, and the steam performance is night and day between the two... I don't think there is much difference in coffee quality.
    >>>

    when you said "the steam performance is night and day between the two" , do you mean the steam performance in V slim is dryer, stronger and better than BDB?  Ta mate.

  • squibcakes
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    I was in the same boat was seriously looking at the BDB, and I still think it is one of the best bang for bucks with the PID. I just don't like the look of it and it's huge! I ended up getting the ECM Slim. After about 1 month I then ditched the BSG grinder and bought the NZ grinder. (Factor in grinder and water filtration costs)

    The HX with E61 does take a good 30 mins to warm up - and you do go through some water. I've done a little bit of maintenance, greased the E61 cam, adjusted the pressure stat etc which is all dead easy to do.

    My neighbor has the the BDB, and the steam performance is night and day between the two... I don't think there is much difference in coffee quality.

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  • FNQ
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    I was thinking along the same lines just the other day. The new software and electrical cleverness of some pointy end machines MAY make them less future proof.

  • Dimal
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    The same could be said for anything these days.
    Cars, for example...

    Mal.

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  • saeco_user
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    Just curious - it's well documented that "prosumer" machines have higher spec components and use many industry standard components so are more reliable and more readily repaired than "appliance" machines. Older machines were nearly always mechanical with simple electronics and could be kept going for many, many, many years. Will this still be true for the newer generation of "prosumer" machines? With modern control units (Gicars etc) containing complicated circuitry and semi-conductors which, from experience, do become obsolete, won't the repairability be reduced to the timeframe that the manufacturer maintains support for the controller?

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  • LeroyC
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    Originally posted by petehehe View Post
    Average day, one for me and one for the wife so 2. Occasionally if we chuck a bender at our house and end up with people crashed on our couch/etc, possibly a lot more. Is there an inherent limitation on HX machines in terms of how many cups you can brew in a sitting?
    I agree with the others. Based on how you describe your main usage the ECM, Rocket or a Lelit will be a better option than the Breville. Just be aware that every machine needs proper care and preventative maintenance. You can’t avoid the need to clean and care for your machine through the purchase choice. Ask any decent service technician and they’ll have endless stories of wrecked high end machines that have been fed crappy water and never backflushed.

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  • LeroyC
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    Originally posted by Ronin View Post
    I heard recently that an ECM should last around 30years if looked after That’d be my choice over the rocket. Throw in a quamar Q50 in for a grinder recommendation (along with the others) also when you can afford one.
    Only 30 years? That’s a bit disappointing. I would hope for better than that.

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