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  • #31
    Originally posted by Yelta View Post
    Why not buy one? handy addition to the tool kit available for less than $20 from Bunnings. You will use it again in the future, I have one stashed under my machine and use it regularly, cheaper than paying a tech to do the job.🙂
    Thanks, yes I agree good to have one. I'll check bunnings but my local to ship they were $40 + 🙃 ** Lifting the lever to pull the shot now works smoothly and beautifully..... but pushing the lever back down to stop the shot still takes a lot more effort and is still quite stiff - is this normal for a lever machine? Thanks for your advice. Adam

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Andy View Post
      Using Tapatalk? It's a problem with Tapatalk, it ignores comments (silly but true) and they have known about it for long time but haven't fixed it. Read in a web browser on a PC or your phone and you'll see them fine.
      Hi Andy, yes I've tried tapatalk on my phone and the tablet I'm using now - still can't see any comments? Bummer. Cheers Adam

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Adam76 View Post
        Thanks, yes I agree good to have one. I'll check bunnings but my local to ship they were $40 + 🙃 ** Lifting the lever to pull the shot now works smoothly and beautifully..... but pushing the lever back down to stop the shot still takes a lot more effort and is still quite stiff - is this normal for a lever machine? Thanks for your advice. Adam
        Why not buy two and use one on either side of the join as designed.
        See DaveC’s video.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by amberale View Post
          Why not buy two and use one on either side of the join as designed. See DaveC’s video.
          Hi amberale, I'm not sure what you mean. Buy two of what? I was referring to why the lever is easy to pull up, but needs a lot of effort (very stiff) to push down to finish the shot? Is this normal operation for a lever machine? Thanks

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          • #35
            I would recommend against using shifting spanners on any chromed-brass component, if you wish to maintain a perfect shiny finish for the life of the machine. Way better to use high quality hex (not 12 point) impact sockets and good quality open-ended spanners (not Sidchrome) for where a socket can't be used.

            Mal.

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            • amberale
              amberale commented
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              All the impact sockets I’ve got have a slightly rough finish for grip.
              I do have some highly polished/chromed hex sockets but they are$$$.
              (I know, so is the machine).
              Hey Wirecutter, where’s the fun in that?

            • Dimal
              Dimal commented
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              All the impact sockets I’ve got have a slightly rough finish for grip.
              Bugger...
              I managed to source some very high quality impact sockets with a smooth internal finish and corner protection. Exy but worth it considering the value of the item it's being used on.

            • amberale
              amberale commented
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              Agreed Dimal.
              I’ll be buying a couple of Rothenburger shifters with protected jaws once my Bianca arrives and I know the maximum size required.
              Meantime I’m going to play around with some Plastidip, some chrome plated brass plumbing fittings and an old shifter to try some things out.
              Sorry about the thread drift/steal Adam.

          • #36
            Originally posted by Dimal View Post
            I would recommend against using shifting spanners on any chromed-brass component, if you wish to maintain a perfect shiny finish for the life of the machine. Way better to use high quality hex (not 12 point) impact sockets and good quality open-ended spanners (not Sidchrome) for where a socket can't be used. Mal.
            Agreed. 👍

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            • #37
              Originally posted by Adam76 View Post
              Hi Andy, yes I've tried tapatalk on my phone and the tablet I'm using now - still can't see any comments? Bummer. Cheers Adam
              Hence why Andy said:

              Originally posted by Andy View Post
              Using Tapatalk? It's a problem with Tapatalk, it ignores comments (silly but true) and they have known about it for long time but haven't fixed it. Read in a web browser on a PC or your phone and you'll see them fine.

              Java "Bolding added for emphasis" phile
              Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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              • #38
                Originally posted by Yelta View Post

                Why not buy one? handy addition to the tool kit available for less than $20 from Bunnings.

                You will use it again in the future, I have one stashed under my machine and use it regularly, cheaper than paying a tech to do the job.🙂
                I been thinking of one of those aluminium shifters. They are made for anodised parts. So pretty too!

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                • amberale
                  amberale commented
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                  I haven’t seen them but I have about a dozen shifters already.
                  I wonder if taping the chromed part with electricians or masking tape would work better than taping the spanner.

              • #39
                Originally posted by Adam76 View Post
                Hi amberale, I'm not sure what you mean. Buy two of what? I was referring to why the lever is easy to pull up, but needs a lot of effort (very stiff) to push down to finish the shot? Is this normal operation for a lever machine? Thanks
                Hi Adam.
                Two shifters or spanners(either tape the ends or buy units with protective end caps).
                The joins are designed to have a tool on one side to hold it steady and one on the other side to unscrew.
                Most espresso machines are sturdy enough to cope with using one tool but I prefer two.

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                • #40
                  Originally posted by Javaphile View Post
                  Hence why Andy said: Java "Bolding added for emphasis" phile
                  I was simply agreeing with his post and validating my experience. What's with all the smart ass attitudes? I can read English and I understood perfectly well what he said. Some of you guys must need to make other people feel stupid in order to make yourselves feel important? I can go to my 15yr old for that. Thanks to all those who have assisted me with genuine and helpful replies.

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                  • #41
                    Originally posted by amberale View Post
                    Hi Adam. Two shifters or spanners(either tape the ends or buy units with protective end caps). The joins are designed to have a tool on one side to hold it steady and one on the other side to unscrew. Most espresso machines are sturdy enough to cope with using one tool but I prefer two.
                    Gotcha... I have been using the 2 spanner method to get to the lever cam, works well. Thanks ?

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                    • #42
                      Originally posted by Adam76 View Post
                      I was simply agreeing with his post and validating my experience. What's with all the smart ass attitudes? I can read English and I understood perfectly well what he said. Some of you guys must need to make other people feel stupid in order to make yourselves feel important? I can go to my 15yr old for that. Thanks to all those who have assisted me with genuine and helpful replies.
                      There was nothing smartass about my reply. Your reply post to Andy's...:

                      Originally posted by Adam76 View Post
                      Hi Andy, yes I've tried tapatalk on my phone and the tablet I'm using now - still can't see any comments? Bummer. Cheers Adam
                      ...reads as if you were responding saying you tried what he suggested and it didn't work. There was no statement about 'Thanks for letting me know Tapatalk is the problem and not some setting on my end.' or a 'Thanks I'll try using a web browser.' Nothing in that post clearly indicates an understanding of what Andy had said. In order to interpret the post in the way you have now stated it was meant we would have to have been able to read your mind. Hence I was attempting to make sure his message got communicated when it apparently hadn't.


                      Java "Chooses his words carefully" phile
                      Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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                      • #43
                        OK Java, looks like you're one of those people that has to be right about everything. I'll settle with being happy instead of right. Cheers

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                        • SanderP
                          SanderP commented
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                          Depressingly Java seems to be one of "those people" that are mostly right and also mostly happy, probably comes from a lifetime of experience.

                          I reckon you should take the helpful advice in good humour so we can all enjoy ourselves.

                          Cheers

                      • #44
                        Ok, thanks SanderP.

                        I'm happy to take advice, especially from those with a lifetime of experience. Java's post just came across really condescending and if that wasn't intentional then I apologise.

                        Thank you.

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                        • #45
                          Just an update for anyone interested. After pulling everything apart again, cleaning and re lubing I have smooth and easy lever movement. Not sure what was different this time, but glad it's all working. I think getting lube right into both upper and lower valves and not just on the cam lobes makes a difference. Thanks for everyone's help on this thread.

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