Small dual boiler with PID - which one?

[Casa Espresso]

We have just had our new compact Dual Boiler arrive; the Izzo Vivi Duetto.

It compliments the larger Dual Boiler Alex Duetto for those that wont plump in their machines
https://www.casaespresso.com.au/izzo-vivi-duetto.html


With class leading stainless steel chassis, E61 group head, dual insulated boilers all in a compact yet powerful package.

• Dual boiler configuration
• PID Controll
• .8L brew boiler, 1000W
• 1.8L Steam boiler, 1400W
• E61 group head
• Vibration pump
• 2L internal water tank
• Cool touch steam wand / hot water outlet
• Weight 33kg
• Dimensions 31cm wide, 42cm deep, 38cm high
• Includes 1 x single group handle, 1 x double group handle and blind filter
• 58mm stainless steel precision tamper
• Energy saving feature to turn off the steam boiler when not needed

Cheers

Antony
www.casaespresso.com.au

[ElShauno]

I am biased and will say the Elizabeth is well worth a look - I wouldn't swap mine for anything less than a Decent, particularly for the price and its very handy preinfusion features and metrics from the Lelit Control Centre (real time boiler temp, shot timer etc.)

I am time poor, and it means I can throw any bean at it and achieve what I'm looking for with minimal fuss. Lelit designs with the home user in mind, and it's a great experience.

HX would be fine, but I still have found despite having owned two previously, and currently loaning one while my DB is in for service, that they need a flush. But you know what? They still make good coffee. Reason I champion the Elizabeth is the quick heat up time (12 mins) and saturated group = everything hot quickly; traditional pre-infusion, programmable to 20 secs. Low-bar/flow pre-infusion up to 20 secs, with bar determined by steam boiler temp that you set - this allows me to pull some interesting shots from anything - even filter beans.

However - unless you need steam on demand, an HX is a single boiler and this opens up premium SB options for you. I wholeheartedly recommend the ECM Casa - hands down the best single boiler I've used. Feels more premium and performs more premium than the popular Rancilio and Gaggia cheapies, and is thermally stable, has externally adjustable OPV, a premium build with best portafilter handle on the market, and far more consistent with black coffee than any HX I've used. Steam only takes 40 seconds to heat up to temp and is strong and provided by a HX-grade wand. You can knock out your espressos, line them up, then move to steaming milk in the case of multiple coffees for guests.

[Casa Espresso]

Think Izzo.....

Antony
www.casaespresso.com.au

[San]

Pro 400 is Profitec’s version of Lelit Mara X. So far, it looks like Profitec has better build and Lelit has better features such as brewing priority switch (haven’t seen it on Profitec). IMO, Profitec Pro 300 is a better machine than the other two.

[Bohne]

Pssst .......Bohne'y ....said player was previously referred to as....R e s p e c t e d !
And LMLM is actually already a mini

Do you mean the Profitec Pro 400 by chance?

Saw it on some HostMilano 2021 footage ..really cool to see a lot of new and innovative espresso gear coming up in general, companies I've never seen before like Torre espresso

[Bohne]

Pssst .......Bohne'y ....said player was previously referred to as....R e s p e c t e d !
And LMLM is actually already a mini

Are you by chance referring to the new Profitec Pro 400? I’ve seen some footage on it from the HostMilano 2021.

Lots of interesting stuff to see there that is coming up - but those machines are not super secretive

[Birkin7]

Hi Dimal, Someone will get a "gigle" out of it!!!
Cheers
Maurice

[Caffeinator]

Hmm... I'd call that a pretty broad statement.

To the OP. I regret I don't know as I am not the importer, but would guess that it may be 3-6 months.

[tompoland]

https://coffeesnobs.com.au/SponsorQuotes worthwhile

[San]

You can wait forever for the “latest and greatest“ - there is always something new is coming… Also, keep in mind that all new models have “teething” problems.

[Dimal]

gigler nozzles

That should read - Gicleur Nozzles...

[Bohne]

Pssst .......Bohne'y ....said player was previously referred to as....R e s p e c t e d !
And LMLM is actually already a mini

how far is this new arrival away and in the stores? are we talking weeks or months?

just wondering whether to wait or still buy a machine now 🤷♂️

[Birkin7]

Correctly setup = correctly sized gigler nozzles installed. On Australian supplied HX machines these gigler and Thermostat set to suit Australian style of coffee, approx 94 degrees Combine so no cooling flush is required.
If you search this forum you will find lots of info on this topic.
Maurice

[Bohne]

Pssst .......Bohne'y ....said player was previously referred to as....R e s p e c t e d !
And LMLM is actually already a mini

hehe..respECted..hMm..could it be? they don't really have a small DB in their lineup I think 🤔

[Bohne]

even though a mini, still quite big in $$