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I bought my last machine for a retirement present and because my last sub $2000 machine went on the "I don't want to work anymore 4 days before I retired. I came across an article in a coffee magazine on the Profitec Pro 500 PID Coffee Machine, comment from the wife, "a bit expensive isn't it", to which I said, "you gain what you pay for in the long run", to which she agree. $3000+ later it arrived in a little over 4 days, unpacked it and first dilemma struck me, it's fully manual, been used to pressing a button on a fairly fully auto machine, this one took a bit of learning, but, it has proved to a fantastic machine all over, pours a fantastic coffee in all the different types one would want. Having 2 boilers it also does milk while extracting the coffee, if that is the way some like to do it. I'm so happy with this machine and so glad I bought it, as the coffee taste (I roast my own green beans bought from different places) is so good it's a sticky finger from wiping the cup clean afterward.


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Did a little look around a couple of showrooms today. I noticed the following machines that I hadn’t previously considered:
- Rocket Appartamento
- Wega W Mini (this mainly because I’ve used a commercial Wega machine before and was impressed with it)
- Izzo Vivi - I don’t know a great deal about Izzo but I liked the aesthetics of this machine.
Not too fussed right now about PIDs, pre-infusion and the like. Just give me a tank that makes consistent, reliable espresso.
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Hi Viy, I recently upgraded to the Pro 400, so this will be biased… I use it for 2-3 coffees a day, latte and black. Plus occasionally 4-6 at a time if people drop in. I think it meets all your criteria… the temperature is really stable and adjustable (in a very basic way). Quality seems excellent. Price is right. I really, highly recommend this machine.
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I’m now thinking volumetrics won’t actually give me what I want as what I want is weight consistency not volume consistency.
This also helps explain why volumetrics isn’t more popular on prosumer machines - most coffee snobs are more interested in weight.
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Curious if you can install flow control on an ECM Elektronika and use it?
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The Profitec Pro 400 looks like a great little machine. If you're looking for a dual boiler instead of HX, maybe look at the Pro 600. Buy once, cry once?
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The Elektronika - unless I missed something - doesn’t allow you to adjust temperature or pre-infusion or anything else. It’s a punch the button and go machine. It’s an interesting feature tradeoff to have volumetrics and not much else.
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Thanks level3ninja. It’ll be a question of features vs price on that machine but it is tempting.
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Nah not at all. I’m just a big fan of the profitecs - they’re value is just amazing at the price point they retail for. Had I known better when I got my machine ( rocket mozzafiato type v) I would’ve gone for the pro 600 for sure.
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So looking at the various ECM and Profitec machines on the market I feel like I’d be happy with any of their heat exchange or dual boiler options.
One thing I didn’t mention - I’d really like programmable shot buttons connected to volumetric flow control. Commercial machines seem to always have these but for whatever reason most domestic machines don’t - not the ones in my budget anyway.
This means I won’t get everything I want. Since I won’t get everything I want I don’t feel the need to go to the upper limits of my budget if I can get a capable machine for a little less, and I believe I can.
My current favourites are the Profitec Pro - either the 400 or 500. (600 looks excellent too of course.)
We’ll see what happens when I get into a showroom and see these things in person.
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