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  • #16
    Re: Can really good cappucino machines have inbuilt grinders?

    Originally posted by 784741465B5C6D705D4B5E57320 link=1247404720/14#14 date=1247471729
    the burrs are based on the lux set so not actually lux burrs
    And therein lies a big, big difference.


    Originally posted by 784741465B5C6D705D4B5E57320 link=1247404720/12#12 date=1247471169
    Sure a full auto is rubbish and has hygeine issues
    Ill strongly disagree. Superautos are designed for a purpose, and the better ones accomplish this and do a pretty OK job. Ive come across more than a few that make a better coffee than the local cafe.

    As for hygeine issues, this lies in the hands of the operator, and again, there are a number of cafes I dont frequent because I dont like their hygeine standards.

    Back on topic, the question is, "Can really good cappucino machines have inbuilt grinders?" Well, my answer is, "No". Think about it - when was the last time you saw an espresso machine with built in grinder at any reputable cafe, or any cafe for that matter.

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    • #17
      Re: Can really good cappucino machines have inbuilt grinders?

      Originally posted by 7066636372707C75757676130 link=1247404721/15#15 date=1247472410
      Back on topic, the question is, "Can really good cappucino machines have inbuilt grinders?"Well, my answer is, "No".Think about it - when was the last time you saw an espresso machine with built in grinder at any reputable cafe, or any cafe for that matter.  
      Their high output would certainly have to be a big factor wouldnt it?  I havent seen a silvia in a cafe either so must be crap!!

      P.S. drcoffee take what you will out of the opinions on here. It is your decision after all. If you do buy an all in one machine you will certainly want to upgrade it in the future. If you have the money spend $2k+ and only do it once. It is worthwhile.

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      • #18
        Re: Can really good cappucino machines have inbuilt grinders?

        Gday DrCoffee....

        The Burr-set used by Lux and other European small Conical Burr grinders is manufactured by a company called Trespade.... Dont know that Sunbeam or any other Chinese manufactured grinder sources their burrs from this company :-?

        Some good general info about a range of different grinder types here.... http://tinyurl.com/lgdtgz

        All the best,
        Mal.

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        • #19
          Re: Can really good cappucino machines have inbuilt grinders?

          Originally posted by 033C3A3D2027160B2630252C490 link=1247404721/16#16 date=1247472741
          I havent seen a silvia in a cafe either so must be crap!!
          OK, I guess we can extrapolate whatever we want.

          Originally posted by 033C3A3D2027160B2630252C490 link=1247404721/16#16 date=1247472741
          If you do buy an all in one machine you will certainly want to upgrade it in the future.
          There are plenty of superauto users that are very happy with their equipment, and when the time comes for a new machine, will go out an buy another superauto.

          Originally posted by 033C3A3D2027160B2630252C490 link=1247404721/16#16 date=1247472741
          If you have the money spend $2k+ and only do it once.It is worthwhile.
          This I agree with.

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          • #20
            Re: Can really good cappucino machines have inbuilt grinders?

            I have always believed that the EM0480 has Lux burrs. Seen this stated on many websites. An example that I have quickly found is:

            mod edit to remove link to commercial site

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            • #21
              Re: Can really good cappucino machines have inbuilt grinders?

              Originally posted by 3523262637353930303333560 link=1247404721/18#18 date=1247474345
              There are plenty of superauto users that are very happy with their equipment, and when the time comes for a new machine, will go out an buy another superauto.
              Totally agree with this comment, a superauto IMHO is all about a the fine line between ease of use, speed of coffee making etc etc and the ability to what is considered an acceptable coffee by the end user using the machine.

              Lets face it, most people going down this path want the convenience that is similar to instant but realise there is so much better than instant available.

              I think you need to put the question into context about the situation the unit will be used in in order to give a fair answer.

              my 2c

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              • #22
                Re: Can really good cappucino machines have inbuilt grinders?

                Originally posted by 013E383F222514092432272E4B0 link=1247404721/14#14 date=1247471729
                The article says the burrs are based on the lux set so not actually lux burrs.  
                Does that translate to cheap Chinese knockoff?



                Originally posted by 25292B25292C2C272F480 link=1247404721/19#19 date=1247480260
                I have always believed that the EM0480 has Lux burrs.  
                Well now you know.

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                • #23
                  Re: Can really good cappucino machines have inbuilt grinders?

                  Originally posted by 1D213C272D2C3B2E262D490 link=1247404721/21#21 date=1247488871
                  Does that translate to cheap Chinese knockoff?
                  Not sure it matters. Both decent grinders good value in their own right.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Can really good cappucino machines have inbuilt grinders?

                    Generally speaking, the options of

                    (Grinder) + (Machine) = Total

                    or

                    (Grinder + Machine) = Total

                    would lead me to believe that if you have the budget, having a grinder housed separately leads to fewer issues and gives you more options if you find one part of the equation doesnt meet your needs.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Can really good cappucino machines have inbuilt grinders?

                      I cant see that anyone has mentioned that a problem with any equipment that integrates two separate functions is what happens if one function breaks down?

                      If it happens to the grinder then you are without a coffee maker while it gets repaired - you cant even use pre-ground  :P

                      For my money Id go with two units  

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                      • #26
                        Re: Can really good cappucino machines have inbuilt grinders?

                        Can they???-undoubtedly the answer is yes.
                        Do they???-very rarely if ever.

                        and of course there is that completely undefined term--"really good".

                        Greg

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