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  • #16
    Re: A Week with Mazzer Kony -e

    I agree jb.... 8-)

    I think the beans used, blend components/ratio, roast depth and all sorts of things to do exclusively with the beans themselves plays a big part on how the beans end up in the GH Basket and how they produce the goods in the cup at the end, where it really counts.

    With regard to the nutating action tamp... You need to make sure you only use very light force while executing this and finish up with a level tamp of normal weight, all in one action. This way, youre not disturbing the final cohesivity of the puck or its seal against the walls of the basket. Takes a little practice to get the action down pat but is really effective at ensuring the coffee bulk density throughout the puck is very uniform, no voids and no higher density clump areas. Maybe this is what you already do and if so, please ignore everything Ive written.

    Maybe someone should start up a Large Conical Grinder thread where we can all wax lyrical at length about the joys of using one of these beauties....

    Mal.

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    • #17
      Re: A Week with Mazzer Kony -e

      could one of proud owners of Kony E put the picture here at CS with the coarsest grind Kony E would be capable of?

      big thx

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      • #18
        Re: A Week with Mazzer Kony -e

        Hello el c,

        If you want the Kony-E to split your beans in half, it will do that no problem. Its entirely up to you.

        I have had mine for a good 12 months and I cannot imagine another grinder could displace it.

        Hope that helps.

        Chris

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        • #19
          Re: A Week with Mazzer Kony -e

          Originally posted by 530C140209020E070704040C000F610 link=1267601748/17#17 date=1303376841
          Hello el c,

          If you want the Kony-E to split your beans in half, it will do that no problem. Its entirely up to you.

          I have had mine for a good 12 months and I cannot imagine another grinder could displace it.

          Hope that helps.

          Chris
          supernice.

          thx chris for superfast response.

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          • #20
            Re: A Week with Mazzer Kony -e

            Originally posted by 164951474C474B4242414149454A240 link=1267601748/17#17 date=1303376841
            I have had mine for a good 12 months and I cannot imagine another grinder could displace it.
            Ditto.... 8-)

            Mal.

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            • #21
              Re: A Week with Mazzer Kony -e

              I had a play of the kony-e (less than 6 months old) the other day. The grind from the kony had the same look and feel as the grind from a mazzer mini thats less than one month old.
              I didn t get a chance to thoroughly compare the two grinders, but even though the pours were quite similar to each other (rate, volume, texture), the taste between the two was different.
              I m not too sure how to describe it, but it seemed like the Kony was giving me two streams of flavours... or perhaps this was just a placebo. I will play a bit more and report back.

              Anyways, assuming there is a taste difference between the two grinders - can anyone explain why this is the case given that the ground looked and felt exactly the same?

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              • #22
                The Kony-E is a conical grinder the the Mini is a flat burr and there definitely is a difference between the 2 in tastes. I have used Mini's and owned a Rocky but now own conicals because I prefer the flavor they get out of the beans.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by specialpants View Post
                  The grind from the kony had the same look and feel as the grind from a mazzer mini
                  I imagine if you studied the grind using something like a microscope you would determine a difference in the shape etc of the grounds, which would then possibly explain some of the differences?

                  GrahamK

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                  • #24
                    Hopper sizes and single dosing

                    Probably so, but I tend to go by what my taste buds tell me. It is pretty tempting to own both a large slow flat burr grinder & a conical burr grinder. I suppose there are some coffees that taste better with a flat burr grinder.

                    The particle shape, number of fines, the heat generated by the grinding process. There is quite the discussion on HB about motor rpm Vs burr speed and the rotational speed at the edge of the burr compared to the center of the burr, etc.

                    I still go by the taste of the beans that I like and can afford :-)

                    My Morning Launch Pad
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                    • #25
                      BlrdFX care to enlighten us with the differences you find between the versalab and kony?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by timdimdom View Post
                        BlrdFX care to enlighten us with the differences you find between the versalab and kony?
                        Not sure exactly to which aspect of the differences you are referring. The size difference is obvious. The build quality is about equal, but without removing the cases/housings it is hard to tell. The Versalab has a very slightly noticable wobble in the main shaft but when the machine is off and the burr clearance is run to zero and then the burrs manually turned they seem to touch evenly. I measured the wobble at .003 inch. The versalab really should have another inch or so clearance between the lower cone and the base, but it still works OK. If single dosing the versalab a shot glass will work as a dispenser; I use a 2oz stainless steel measuring cup that looks like a shot glass. The grind quality is amazing with the Versalab! I dose directly into the portafilter using an Orphan Espresso short dosing cone (which barely fits under the versalab cone) and when I remove it from under the versalab cone it takes one thump un the tamping stand to get all the grounds into the basket :-) There is .4 grams retention from static cling with versalab. The Kony is another beast entirely.

                        The Kony is much more quiet. With the static screen in place the grounds retention much more and I use medium roast beans which have less oils than those dark sticky ones :-) I dismantled the Kony yesterday to give it a good cleaning and remove the static screen and the ground coffee yield was somewhere in the neighborhood of 15g :-( More beans arriving today so I will be able to report the retention and dosing differences in a day or so. That screen also contributes rather dramatically to clumping, although the clumps go away with a quick stir with a small pointy stick. The vertical size of the Kony is a bit much but I guess that is the price you pay for a conical, electronic timer dosed grinder; the Robur is taller and more $$$$!!!!!!!! I really do like the dosing cone on the Kony so I cannot complain to much about the height of the machine. The stretchy squiggle cord that goes from the body of Kony to the electronic control cone cap is terrible! A simple non squiggle cord would be better, or how about just using a connector that engaged the machine when the top was in place! Wake up Mazzer... If the i-Phone and it's clones can do it...

                        As far as a taste difference I am leaning toward the VL but with that static screen removed it could make a difference since there is less time for the machine to impart heat to the grounds.

                        Stay tuned.

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                        • #27
                          awesome comparison! recently got a kony myself and did the same with the static screen. another thing i do with each shot is brush out the retained grinds from the chute, and run the grinder again to push out the left over grinds in the vanes. seems to work well - i really should check out how much grind retention i get after all that.. but it doesn't seem much =). but that was just the thing - if i didn't brush out the retained grinds i'd imagine i would have to purge a whole shots worth of beans before i can get to some fresh grounds - which is why i'm really curious about the versalab. taste wise i really don't have much to compare the kony against but definitely a whole world of difference compared to an em0480!

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by timdimdom View Post
                            did the same with the static screen. another thing i do with each shot is brush out the retained grinds from the chute, and run the grinder again to push out the left over grinds in the vanes. seems to work well - i really should check out how much grind retention i get after all that.. but it doesn't seem much =). but that was just the thing - if i didn't brush out the retained grinds i'd imagine i would have to purge a whole shots worth of beans before i can get to some fresh grounds - which is why i'm really curious about the versalab. taste wise i really don't have much to compare the kony against but definitely a whole world of difference compared to an em0480!
                            The VL retains about .4g. I took the screen out and ran about 125g through the Kony to re-zero in on my favorite bean bleand. There is indeed a bit more static and yes, you must brush out the chute, run the machine and re-brush, if you do not want stale grounds in the machine. The VL is much more straight forward.

                            If you are running several shots then the Kony is the way to fly and with the screen removed then the clumping disappears!

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                            • #29
                              Well it's me again two and a half years later! Kony is simply getting better. It took quite a few cups in a domestic situation to run in the cones. Once run in the clumps disappeared. Of course I removed the static screen. I only wish that the chute angle was sharper as I, like the above post, have to brush out the chute and run again. Perfect shots happen more often than not. Totally no regrets and absolutely no upgradeitis. I have safely modified the bean holder to hold a measured amount of beans (plumbing cap). All the safety devices are in place and working. I was able to remove the collar from the container.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by dumiya View Post
                                I have safely modified the bean holder to hold a measured amount of beans (plumbing cap). All the safety devices are in place and working. I was able to remove the collar from the container.
                                How did you remove the bean hopper from the safety collar? I tried for hours to do it and gave up and got out the dremel tool to cut out the locking tabs on that collar. If I had gotten the hopper off without cutting the tabs then I could have machined the clear cylinder to have a corresponding ridge to lock in place. In fact I did do something close to that by only removing part of the collar locking tabs and then machining in a slot in the bottom of the tube. Eventually I caved in and took out the tabs entirely.

                                The electronic dosing is not reliable with removal of the OEM stuff but since I either fill the basket or dose into a basket on a scale it does not matter.

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