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  • TC
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    Re: Robur E, Compak K10 WBC or E, Mahlkonig K 30 ES or ..... ???

    Originally posted by 595A54515051515A52350 link=1268192465/28#28 date=1330979886
    Ok so now Ive read most of the post, Ill put my 2 cents in for what its worth. My cafe is doing approx 40-45 kilos a week usining the K10 compak and everyone of us hates this grinder. I manual dose in the quiet times but due to high demand we go to auto dose when needed. It is so incosistant. Ive had my Robar E 1 week and love it!!!!! I should of had one of these 12 months ago. Consistant beyond anything Ive ever used. Wastage minimal!!! so much so that Ill have mine paid off in under 4 months. I estimate we have cut roughly 3-5 kilo a week so far. Product is great. Staff are happy and most of all I a little less stressed. Love you Mazzer!!!
    Good thing ld,

    Nothing inherently wrong with the K10 except that you were pushing it well beyond optimum at 45kg/week. Sorta like you needed a V12 diesel 4WD to tow the 45 footer, but purchased a taxi pack 6 instead. ;D

    Im glad to hear the Robur-E is doing the job it was designed to do and the bonus is that if you get busier, you can always go 3-phase

    Chris

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  • loadeddog
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    Ok so now Ive read most of the post, Ill put my 2 cents in for what its worth. My cafe is doing approx 40-45 kilos a week usining the K10 compak and everyone of us hates this grinder. I manual dose in the quiet times but due to high demand we go to auto dose when needed. It is so incosistant. Ive had my Robar E 1 week and love it!!!!! I should of had one of these 12 months ago. Consistant beyond anything Ive ever used. Wastage minimal!!! so much so that Ill have mine paid off in under 4 months. I estimate we have cut roughly 3-5 kilo a week so far. Product is great. Staff are happy and most of all I a little less stressed. Love you Mazzer!!!

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  • beanflying
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    Re: Robur E, Compak K10 WBC or E, Mahlkonig K 30 ES or ..... ???

    Thanks for the link, it certainly retains more grinds than my DRMs. Not really a problem for normal commercial use but at home it will waste a bit of coffee.

    Out with the dremel

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  • bikpaintr
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    Re: Robur E, Compak K10 WBC or E, Mahlkonig K 30 ES or ..... ???

    You may find the info in this H-B thread useful:
    http://www.home-barista.com/grinders/compak-k10-chute-mods-t14728.html?hilit=k10%20chute%20mod

     Also if you remove the roll pin stop that is installed under the top cover you can easily remove the upper burr carrier w/cover.

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  • beanflying
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    And the answer was I got the K10, price played a part in it but reported differential in dose of the Robur E and quirks of the dosered ones swung it too. Since I started this thread there is now the E version of the K10 to consider too.

    Fired it up in anger for the first time today and it is seriously fast and extremely quiet compared to my current DRM/Cimbalis .

    Thanks for the thoughts above all

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  • Dimal
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    Re: Robur E, Compak K10 WBC or E, Mahlkonig K 30 ES or ..... ???

    Originally posted by 0D3D312C2E3731305E0 link=1268192465/23#23 date=1275028815
    I remember that sometime back you suggested the use of a Teflon type spray (used on spectacles as I recall) to reduce static.  Have you tried, or would you think it worth trying, use of this spray inside the dosing funnel to increase "slipperyness" (since it is Teflon) and reduce the ground coffee holding at the exit point.
    Gday S....

    Yes mate, this would probably work and may be a worthwhile thing to do in a high turnover situation where time spent clearing the funnel will lead to accumulated delays in delivery time. Its not really a big deal here at home though, its really easy to clean out and even if I have a half-a-dozen friends or relos waiting for a brew, a quick tap on the side of the funnel clears anything hanging up inside.

    The situation does get worse the more coffee you grind though so if youre in a situation like that, a Teflon Spray or Wipe-On may be very effective..... 8-)

    Mal.

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  • Scorpion
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    Originally posted by 5D70747875190 link=1268192465/11#11 date=1268378398
    One thing I have noticed though, if you dont keep the interior of the dosing funnel absolutely clean, after a while enough oil collects near the exit point to hang on to some ground coffee (up to a couple of grams at times). Naturally, this can cause some inconsistency from one dose to another as this suspended coffee can then fall into the basket in addition to what has just been ground.

    I just give the funnel a good clean out at the end of every day and the problem doesnt return.
    Mal

    I remember that sometime back you suggested the use of a Teflon type spray (used on spectacles as I recall) to reduce static.  Have you tried, or would you think it worth trying, use of this spray inside the dosing funnel to increase "slipperyness" (since it is Teflon) and reduce the ground coffee holding at the exit point.

    Regards

    S

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  • Wushoes
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    Originally posted by 57626F685C406C65656666030 link=1268192465/17#17 date=1268464678
    Dave- youre welcome to come and have a play if you ever want to check out my Kony-e. Does one have to use a Robur-E or similar big gun in comp to have cred?Huh
    No, its more about speed of grinding and dosing. You dont want to blow 1 minute dosing and grinding one handle of coffee. Multiply that by 6 handles and that is 6 minutes of 15 minutes gone.

    If you can do it in half the time, thats only 3 minutes of 15 minutes comp time.

    With a dosered grinder like a K10 or Robur, Id be able to grind, dose and tamp within 20 seconds. With a doserless, I can do the same in 10 seconds. 10 seconds by 6 handles is only 1 minute of the total allowed 15 minutes. It allows a competitor to do a lot more than just make coffee, eg talk, prepare a more complex sig drink etc.

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  • Dimal
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    Re: Robur E, Compak K10 WBC or E, Mahlkonig K 30 ES or ..... ???

    Originally posted by 6A465549465454270 link=1268192465/19#19 date=1268477646
    In saying that when it gets crazy the robur e can seem like a life saver (still quicker than dosered and more ergonomic).
    That fits with the research I undertook before deciding on the Kony. The Robur-E really does seem to be much more suited for the highly charged, high turnover establishment and that is where Mazzer target it as well. The Major-E is just as fast in output but significantly more economical to buy but has the same electronics and delivery system so may well suffer some of the other traits of the Robur too, except withheld volume....

    Mal.

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  • Dimal
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    Re: Robur E, Compak K10 WBC or E, Mahlkonig K 30 ES or ..... ???

    There are plenty of great quality grinder manufacturers out there, not just Mazzer, Macap, Compak, BNZ, etc for commercial situations....

    In the end though, as well as doing the job (grinder fits your specification) you also need to have faultless service, parts and technical support. I dont know what level of support is available for other brands such as La San Marco, Elektra and others but they sure do make some very speccy grinders.... 8-)

    Mal.

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  • Marnass
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    I would not choose a Robur E if i knew i could get the job done with a dosered Robur.
    Reasons -
    Regular inconsistansy 1-4g
    30g purge needed (Robur dosered 25g)
    If you need to grind fine - coffee comes out in cubes.
    I updose on the Robur E collapse twice and then strike off. So i have alot more waste of coffee and time, but it allows me to be more acurate. In saying that when it gets crazy the robur e can seem like a life saver (still quicker than dosered and more ergonomic).
    I have a kony dosered and i feel more confidant about how the espresso is going to pour than i do with the Robur E. I love the kony.
    Anyway, i dont think im going to open my own cafe until someone designs a grinder that ticks all the boxes - soooo much room for improvement. Oh love the BNZ too, dont overlook these work horses.

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  • dumiya
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    For what it is worth:

    On my current grind setting I am grinding just on 18gms in 6.25 sec on a Kony-e  ( a double just missing the Giotto filter screen).  

    My scales dont permit fractions so today I just took a whisker out of the basket until it dropped to 17gms then a tiny bit back until it touched 18gms.  

    Dumiya

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  • TC
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    Originally posted by 4A79767C61475F36180 link=1268192465/16#16 date=1268463476
    Originally posted by 0D2F2932353F295A0 link=1268192465/15#15 date=1268458775
    Sounds like Mazzer have made an improvement to the Konys.  
    The only change I have seen/heard of to the Konys was the addition of a feed impeller on top of the center burr which assists in pushing beans into the grinding area. iirc, it can be added to older Konys.

    Who knows Randy?  :-/. I have never used one of the old ones..

    Dave- youre welcome to come and have a play if you ever want to check out my Kony-e. Does one have to use a Robur-E or similar big gun in comp to have cred? :-?

    Chris

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  • Randy_G.
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    Originally posted by 0D2F2932353F295A0 link=1268192465/15#15 date=1268458775
    Sounds like Mazzer have made an improvement to the Konys.
    The only change I have seen/heard of to the Konys was the addition of a feed impeller on top of the center burr which assists in pushing beans into the grinding area. iirc, it can be added to older Konys.

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  • Wushoes
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    Re: Robur E, Compak K10 WBC or E, Mahlkonig K 30 ES or ..... ???

    Hi Chris,

    Sounds like Mazzer have made an improvement to the Konys. Previous Konys Ive used, used to grind a double dose in about 30 seconds (no joke!).  :-/ :-/ :-/ Thats good information to have - which means the Kony may be a potential barista competition grinder - with more repeatable and reliable doses with the advantage of still being conical (compared to Robur-Es) .

    Dave.  

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