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  • Major E or Robur Doser

    Hi Guys, which Grinder is better to get flavour from your beans. Assuming barista is skilled at using both.

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    Re: Major E or Robur Doser

    Originally posted by 1E262F3A0C21374E0 link=1308475776/0#0 date=1308475776
    Hi Guys, which Grinder is better to get flavour from your beans. Assuming barista is skilled at using both.
    Hi Phat,

    I really dont think you will taste any difference whatsoever in the hands of a skilled barista who free doses with a Robur.

    The Robur-E will be quicker and lead to less wastage.

    Hope that helps

    Chris

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    • #3
      Re: Major E or Robur Doser

      Well....

      I havent sampled espressos from a Major-E, just a straight Doser version. Compared to my Kony-E, I prefer the slightly brighter and broader flavour spectrum of the Kony.

      Probably the only way youre going to be able to determine which is best for you, is to sample brews from both and maybe throw in Macap M7D to the options mix too... 8-)

      Mal.

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      • #4
        Re: Major E or Robur Doser

        Will do side by side comparison, but not sure how old the burrs are in the major. Seems slow.
        Which brings me to my next question.
        How many kgs till the blades need changing in the major and Robur.

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        • #5
          Re: Major E or Robur Doser

          Hello all.

          General rule of thumb for "regular" flat (planar) plates as supplied at original fitment say 400 kilosish give or take, and for conical burrs say double.

          Dont expect earth shattering differences, and as stated you must do a side by side, one on one test. Anything else will give silly results. Also, suggest you are not looking for a "blind" test. You are (I think) looking rather, to adjust both grinders down to a point where they are both resulting in best possible brew with same beans, operational technique and machine, and then cup and judge the different nuances (if you find any) between the two.

          Dont expect to get one that is "better" than the other, expect rather to get a minds picture of the different nuances (if you find any) between the two and decide which you like better for whatever reason. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and remember that your opinion might change when you change the type of coffee beans you put in the hopper!

          Rgdz,
          Attilio.

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          • #6
            Re: Major E or Robur Doser

            Arh yeah just had another thought wrt comparo.

            In the interest of obtaining a true result would rather not compare them where one has new burrs and the other hasnt, and would rather not compare a conical to anything unless it has quite a few kg under its belt.

            Of course as usual, thats just my opinion...

            Cant see a major delivering "slowly" whether the plates are worn or not.

            Rgdz,
            A.

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            • #7
              Re: Major E or Robur Doser

              major electronic is dosing around 18-20g in about 10 seconds

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              • #8
                Re: Major E or Robur Doser

                Originally posted by 7E464F5A6C41572E0 link=1308475776/6#6 date=1308920420
                major electronic is dosing around 18-20g in about 10 seconds
                Hmmm....

                That seems a little slow. Pretty sure Ive seen demo videos that do this in less than half that time....

                Mal.

                P.S.
                As per this one for 16g
                [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQr7qEpEK_o[/media]

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                • #9
                  Re: Major E or Robur Doser

                  @ Mal - the 3 phase 380V Mazzer Major is indeed a lot faster than the 2 phase 220-240V Major. Thats not massively surprising, but its annoying that people dont make it clear which is which when doing demo videos.

                  I know the new Kony Es (like bjecks) are a lot faster than the old Kony Es - perhaps some of the Majors also have this problem?

                  Chris, I think you got Major mixed up with Kony for the question.

                  OP - For my money, Id go conical over flat burr every day.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Major E or Robur Doser

                    Originally posted by 4A67666D776A777A030 link=1308475776/8#8 date=1310197545
                    Chris, I think you got Major mixed up with Kony for the question.

                    OP - For my money, Id go conical over flat burr every day.
                    Erm...I may have done that John  ;D

                    I am with you on the burr type though. Conical for me too.

                    Chris

                    P.S. Welcome back! long time.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Major E or Robur Doser

                      Originally posted by 002D2C273D203D30490 link=1308475776/8#8 date=1310197545
                      @ Mal - the 3 phase 380V Mazzer Major is indeed a lot faster than the 2 phase 220-240V Major. Thats not massively surprising, but its annoying that people dont make it clear which is which when doing demo videos.
                      Looking at the power cord, it doesnt look fat enough to be 3-Phase which operate at higher voltage and require thicker insulated cores (usually).

                      I know what you mean though, a little more specific data would be helpful....

                      Mal.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Major E or Robur Doser

                        Totally agree - I think most people I talk coffee with these days can taste the difference, but sometimes you taste it because you know its there. Blind/blindfolded taste-offs are the best option to work it, with a barista friend!

                        Remember, your mileage will vary with the bean you use.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Major E or Robur Doser

                          Wow - that was pretty quick!

                          Originally posted by 7F52565A573B0 link=1308475776/7#7 date=1308923860
                          Originally posted by 7E464F5A6C41572E0 link=1308475776/6#6 date=1308920420
                          major electronic is dosing around 18-20g in about 10 seconds
                          Hmmm....

                          That seems a little slow. Pretty sure Ive seen demo videos that do this in less than half that time....

                          Mal.

                          P.S.
                          As per this one for 16g
                          [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQr7qEpEK_o[/media]

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                          • #14
                            Re: Major E or Robur Doser

                            Grind time depends on grinder setting.
                            Finer grind = slower grind time for same dose.
                            My Knoy E doses 20g in just under 8 sec for dbl ristretto.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Major E or Robur Doser

                              Originally posted by 64484B4E497870270 link=1308475776/13#13 date=1312610489
                              Grind time depends on grinder setting.
                              Finer grind = slower grind time for same dose.
                              Yep, very true...

                              This was supposed to be an espresso grind though and fairly indicative from my own research....

                              Mal.

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