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  • Mahlkonig K30 Twin and Mazzer Kony-E

    Hi guys,

    I’m looking to get a new grinder for a café.  It has been a while since I saw any post relating to the Mahlkonig K30 Twin.  So if anyone has played with it recently, I would appreciate your feedback.  Also would be great to see a comparison of the K30 Twin going against the Mazzer Kony-E.  Right now we have the Eureka Mythos and I believe going to either one of the mentioned grinders would improve the quality of the grind considerably, YES/NO?  Thanks.

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    Re: Mahlkonig K30 Twin and Mazzer Kony-E

    re: "...Right now we have the Eureka Mythos and I believe going to either one of the mentioned grinders would improve the quality of the grind considerably, YES/NO?..."

    Be careful not to confuse quality of grind output, with the difference between what any of these grinders can do in total for any individual operator. ie the total "quality" of the packages has a lot more to do with ease / feel of use, speed of drop, method of drop etc. ie the ways in which the method of operation of any of these will suit a particular operator or style / speed of business ie the management of production.

    I dont really think you will get any discernable difference in the quality of the grind that anyone could reasonably detect...(and even they could, who is to say that something of this standard produces "better" grinds than another grinder also of very good standard) and if that was your only criteria you could be disappointed if you couldnt get a significant difference in the resulting coffee between them (when made under controlled conditions for means of comparison etc), for your considerable investment in dollars to do the "upgrade"... And of course if you did think that you achieved a significant difference, is one "better" than the other or just different to the other. Someone would have to define "better"....and put it in the context of what you are trying to achieve in your cafe given what your clients are mostly asking for....

    So for me, when looking at known standard equipment like these grinders, you will be looking at what they can do for you as an operator rather than "quality" of product produced. The ability of any of these grinders to aid the production of good coffee is not in question, and in my honest opinion this comes down to production management behind the machine.

    Which one of the three do you think will help your baristas do a better job more easily and efficiently and leave them (the baristas) smelling sweeter  at the end of their shift?  The one that does that, is the one for me. After that, only you can decide whether spending a certain sum of money to buy the new grinder has been worth it to your business ie...cost/benefit.

    Rgdz,
    Attilio
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      Re: Mahlkonig K30 Twin and Mazzer Kony-E

      Hi Attilio.

      Thanks for your answer.  I am actually getting a second grinder for the cafe so it’s not really an upgrade.  Having said that if I do go with the K30 Twin, I will be selling the Mythos.  In terms of business need, I am looking to offer the best “milk” based coffee to our customers as possible.  BUT, we do have many staffs going on the machine hence the electronic dose function to get some sort of consistency.

      Currently the Mythos does it job well, fast and easy to use, however I feel that it produces burnt taste.  If the K30 Twin or the Kony-E can produce better grind and sweeter shot then I’m going for it.  Price differences is not a factor here... (cant go to the Robur as it is too big).

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        Re: Mahlkonig K30 Twin and Mazzer Kony-E

        "...we do have many staffs going on the machine hence the electronic dose function to get some sort of consistency...."

        Exactly, the easier you can make it for the staff to produce the goods for the clients, the better.

        Burnt character could be something to do with the beans OR level of wear on grinding burrs OR even something to do with the espresso machine and would need further investigation one way or another however.....you are talking best "milk based" coffee and I doubt whether your clients would pick up that character (that you may have detected in a shot), in a properly made and presented milk coffee, unless it is particularly bad in which case again, it should be investigated.

        Remember, 75 mm burrs are big in a cafe grinder (although you can go bigger) and result in quick delivery in short bursts, so shouldnt be a problem with burnt character from grinder overheating due to friction (where by comparison grinders with smaller burrs have to grind for longer for a similar delivery and get hot, but shouldnt be a problem with 75mm except if burrs are worn or your business is busy enough in bursts that you are over using a single grinder and should have two opetating at certain times of the day).

        As stated earlier I would be looking for a grinder that allows best management of your production, and you need to talk to the suppliers of said grinders and get them to take you to cafes where they are in use....ie this is a strictly "commercial" enquiry where you need to allow the various suppliers to help you make the right decision for yourself including if that means a day out to investigate the equipment properly in situ. It could be that the burnt character is a side issue, and that on a cost benefit and management of cafe analysis another mythos could even be the go.....(playing devils advocate)?

        Investigate clinically, unemotionally, and eliminate any side issues that may be clouding real issues.

        A.

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          Re: Mahlkonig K30 Twin and Mazzer Kony-E

          I’m not sure how using either the Kony-e or the K30 Twin will make it harder for the staffs to operate.  And from what I read all over the net, all I can see are great thing coming from the conical. 

          A summary about the Kony-e is it brings out the all flavours of the roast, but can be too bright and edgy.  Not sure what too bright and edgy mean, but anyway I prefer my shot to be on the smooth side which is the profile of the Robur.  I would have gone with the Robur if space wasn’t an issue, but it would justttt fit on the bench but leaving very little work space.
           
          I think I have made up my mind, the K30 Twin is not in stock in Australia now and probably be a bit harder for servicing.  So by tomorrow, Monday morning, if no one else can persuade me to change my mind, I will order the Kony-e.

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            Re: Mahlkonig K30 Twin and Mazzer Kony-E

            Deary me...

            I do hope you havent misunderstood the discussion, as it was never, ever intimated the Kony or K30 would make it harder for your staff    Quite the contrary, the idea was simply to get you to think about buying the equipment that would make it EASIER for your staff to dispense a quality product in the most efficient manner, given all the grinders you mentioned are quality units and any differences anyone may find in the type of grinds dispensed are entirely up to individual opinion...

            Rgdz,
            A.

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            • #7
              Re: Mahlkonig K30 Twin and Mazzer Kony-E

              Subcontractor has a Kony E for sale. Practically brand new... I was thinking about buying it but thought it might have been overkill for home use.

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                Re: Mahlkonig K30 Twin and Mazzer Kony-E

                Originally posted by 6B687D7B7179746879766C6B180 link=1313190641/6#6 date=1313309131
                but thought it might have been overkill for home use.
                Plenty of CSers (including myself) would disagree!

                The Kony-E is a brilliant grinder which must just about tick all the boxes for a quiet, fast, high quality top end home grinder. It definitely puts the goods in the cup and is my grinder of choice for home.

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                • #9
                  Re: Mahlkonig K30 Twin and Mazzer Kony-E

                  Attilio,

                  Thanks for your suggestion, and yes that was a very good point that you made.

                  Anyway, I have got the Kony-E delivered today.  I cant be happier with the result in the cup comparing to the Mythos.  Actually it was one of the best coffee Ive tasted for a while, and this is comparing to many good cafes around.  Down side is the speed which is a bit too slow for a coffee rush.

                  Now I am thinking of selling the Mythos to get the Robur-e as the main grinder and use the Kony for the 2nd blend.

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