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  • tempestv8
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    ;D ;D ;D

    OK, ok, no need to confirm my worst fears. Yes, I do own a Land Rover four wheel drive. :

    Ive found the Rocky doser quite useful for grinding a fair amount of grind when making lots of coffees for dinner guests. The doser also tends to break up the clumps and eliminate the static issue with espresso grind.

    I have yet to remove the PF forks but its one of those things that I just havent had the chance to do, nor has the electric tape mod for the doser sweeper. Right now, I just lift the lid on the doser and use a brush to cleanly sweep up the chute and the left over grinds when I fill my PF for the last coffee pour for that situation.

    My brother-in-law was convinced that a grinder will lift the quality of his espressos after seeing mine in action. So he bought himself a doserless Iberital Challenge grinder, as it has better fine adjustment than the Rockys steps.

    Hes happy with his grinder, and me too with my Rancilio.

    So all is well on the coffee front.



    Now as for the Land Rover, hows yours running?


    Lawrance

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  • ozscott
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    Lawrence - the Doserless machine is fantastic and not messy if used properly - I just stick a bowl underneath. Barazi told me that the doserless was the seller out of the two when I got mine (and its a bit cheaper too).

    I took the PF holder off mine and love the flexibility.

    Cheers

    PS. You are OC....you have a Land Rover and an espresso machine!

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  • muppet_man67
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    Originally posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1100942422/30#30 date=1176762127
    Originally posted by tempestv8 link=1100942422/15#29 date=1176761724
    OK, decision made.

    Doser it will be, and Ill be modding the sweeper vanes as soon as I get it.

    Looking forward to getting the unit at some stage, now that the decision has been made.

    BTW, since finding this forum, my wife thinks I have an obsessive compulsive disorder about coffee as Im always talking about grinders and coffees.  And pointing out to her every grinder we see when we go shopping.  I think shes right!    *eek!*     :-/
    Be aware that this doser is not adjustable for drop- i.e you could never let it fill if you had a dinner party and take 2 clicks to fill your basket- as its set to fill a small 14g (more like 12) basket which is supplied as standard on the Silvia.

    The only benefit of the doser is to decrease the mess around the grinder IMO....

    The doserless is by far the biggest seller- and for good reason...

    2mcm
    if your using an LM which hold around 20g or even the sunbeam baskets(ive heard they are big 3 clicks and then a quick level off would be perfect?

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  • robinb
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    Does anyone have access to a link on the Rocky doser modification?  The links referred to above now seem to be dead.
    I have found one at http://www.espressomyespresso.com/
    ...just hoping that this is the recommended method?
    Ta

    Ah - just found this too http://briareus.net/coffee/rocky.html

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  • TC
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    nope- theyre all blue now

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  • tempestv8
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    Gday Chris,

    Yes, it seems that the doser on a Rocky leaves a lot to be desired, compared to other higher end doser units.

    Ive been googling for pictures of Rocky Doser, and I noticed that some have a brown colour hopper/doser and others have this light blue colour.

    Which ones are better? The light blue tint is supposed to cut down on light which will damage the beans/grind but surely the dark brown one would let less light through?

    Are the dark brown ones still avialable for sale as new?

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  • TC
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    Originally posted by tempestv8 link=1100942422/15#29 date=1176761724
    OK, decision made.

    Doser it will be, and Ill be modding the sweeper vanes as soon as I get it.

    Looking forward to getting the unit at some stage, now that the decision has been made.

    BTW, since finding this forum, my wife thinks I have an obsessive compulsive disorder about coffee as Im always talking about grinders and coffees.  And pointing out to her every grinder we see when we go shopping.  I think shes right!    *eek!*     :-/
    Be aware that this doser is not adjustable for drop- i.e you could never let it fill if you had a dinner party and take 2 clicks to fill your basket- as its set to fill a small 14g (more like 12) basket which is supplied as standard on the Silvia.

    The only benefit of the doser is to decrease the mess around the grinder IMO....

    The doserless is by far the biggest seller- and for good reason...

    2mcm

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  • tempestv8
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    OK, decision made.

    Doser it will be, and Ill be modding the sweeper vanes as soon as I get it.

    Looking forward to getting the unit at some stage, now that the decision has been made.

    BTW, since finding this forum, my wife thinks I have an obsessive compulsive disorder about coffee as Im always talking about grinders and coffees.  And pointing out to her every grinder we see when we go shopping.  I think shes right!    *eek!*   :-/

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  • JavaB
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    Originally posted by tempestv8 link=1100942422/15#27 date=1176731329
    If you have a doser model, can the doser unit be removed and the doserless spout be installed?

    What about the reverse, i.e. if you have a doserless unit, can it be fitted with the doser unit?

    Im not aware of any that can be modified as standard (using manufacturer supplied parts)..... but inventive users have converted doser models to doserless...... With lots of tools, clever ideas and time.

    As a general rule - what you have is what you will always have (and even if you could buy all the "spare parts" to modify one - at the price of spares you would probably be better off buying a whole new unit!!!!)

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  • tempestv8
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    If you have a doser model, can the doser unit be removed and the doserless spout be installed?

    What about the reverse, i.e. if you have a doserless unit, can it be fitted with the doser unit?

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  • Dimal
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    Originally posted by fatboy link=1100942422/15#25 date=1111068309
    Ed only puts enough coffee in the grinder for the shot being done. This has the benefit of being able to turn the grinder on and wander around doing other vitally important stuff (for me) such as getting the 2 types of milk out of the fridge, doing cup and saucer prep, getting jug 1 ready with thermometer and getting jug 2 ready to bleed off wet steam.
    When the rocky is done, the quiet hum tells me so and I am ready to dose.
    Hi All,

    I "kind of" do the same thing with my Rock D/L. I managed to find an old set of Tupperware cooking measures that just happen to be the right size to sit on the PF fork and get trapped under the plastic spout. Depending on how many people Im brewing for, Ill use the corresponding measure to suit that number of brews and then dispense into the PF basket for each brew in turn.

    Works out well for me as I, like a lot of other CS members, make gifts of freshly roasted coffee to friends, neighbours and rellies from time to time. At least half of these people do not own a decent grinder or even any grinder at all so its up to me to grind the coffee to suit their particular brewing style before sending off in the post. This an easy task with the D/L and next to no mess is generated.

    I suppose it comes down to the primary intended purpose of the grinder as to whether a Doser or D/L version best suits ones needs the best. As mentioned previously, I suppose if you are making a lot of brews for a lot of people a lot of the time then a Doser version would almost choose itself. We occasionally have a group of people come over for a visit, a brew and a gossip but as I described above, the D/L can be easily adapted to cope with this situation with no hesitation what so ever. So, Im really happy with my D/L Rocky and itll do me for long time yet.

    Cheers,
    Mal.


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  • fatboy_1999
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    Well.. after seeing how Ed goes about using his doser with the Rocky, I have started to do a similar thing (not quite the same precision as the master )
    Ed only puts enough coffee in the grinder for the shot being done. This has the benefit of being able to turn the grinder on and wander around doing other vitally important stuff (for me) such as getting the 2 types of milk out of the fridge, doing cup and saucer prep, getting jug 1 ready with thermometer and getting jug 2 ready to bleed off wet steam.
    When the rocky is done, the quiet hum tells me so and I am ready to dose.
    Im actually now leaning towards the doser being a useful attachment in this style of coffee making now.

    Drinking the Bali Ganung now. Pretty happy with it and my latte art is progressing nicely with the crema in this one!

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  • newbean
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    Hi Everyone,
    Ive only used the D/L but I love it. I usually only make one cup in the morning and one at night (atleast through the week).
    To me it is much easier to grind just enough for the cup youre making and not have to pass it through the doser.
    I usually leave a wettex under the Rocky and rinse it out afterwards.

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  • Dimal
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    A doser mechanism without the facility to adjust the metered dose is next to useless.

    DOSERLESS Rocky is not as messy as you might think and is a good little beastie...."
    Hi again,

    I can vouch for the D/L as a "clean machine" to use. I just lay a paper towel on the bench in front of Rocky before I start grinding and any grounds that manage to escape, fall on to the towel and are wrapped up and thrown in the bin upon completion.

    Too easy... Really!

    Cheers,
    Mal.

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  • Fresh_Coffee
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    Hi DD,

    this is something I ran up the last time the topic of doser VS doserless came up...:


    "....Any coffee grinder with a dosing dispenser is next to useless in a domestic situation except where you are entertaining a group of people...  
     
    Notwithstanding all other advice above, you have to look at the reason for buying a grinder in the first place, which is to have a means of getting the best out of your coffee by buying beans and grinding them on demand before each brew. The "doserless" set up allows you to do this.  
     
    The DOSING dispenser on the other hand, if it is going to be used as a dosing dispenser in the way it is designed to be used, requires that you grind more coffee than you require in most instances before it will dose properly in the way it is designed to do.  You grind more coffee than you may need (particularly where there are only say 2 cups of coffee to be made), it causes wastage, and and if it is left for the next sitting you will be using stale grounds to make your "fresh coffee". A contradiction in having bought the grinder in the first place!  
     
    The other way to use a "doser grinder" is to only grind enough coffee for each sitting, which is a situation where you are not using the doser mechanism to dose at all, just as a means of flicking out the coffee as it grinds, in which case all you require is a doserless without the extra hassle.  
     
    In addition the doser Rocker has the usual domestic setup where you cannot adjust the mechanism to drop differing doses. It is only designed to drop the metered dose suited to the domestic sized rancilio standard filters supplied with silvia, audrey etc.. It wont drop a proper dose for any other commonly available filters (which are invariably bigger). This causes the unsuspecting coffee head to chase their tail around forever wondering why the espresso isnt brewing properly when in fact using the rocky doser with anything other than the smaller than standard domestic sized rancilio filters constitutes a situation of "under dosing" because almost all other commercial sized coffee filters are bigger and require a bigger dose of grounds for the espresso principle to work properly...  
     
    A doser mechanism without the facility to adjust the metered dose is next to useless.  
     
    DOSERLESS Rocky is not as messy as you might think and is a good little beastie...."  
     
    Hope this helps with your choice.

    Regardez,
    FC.  

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