Now, back to the topic...............and the Tranquilo is still one ugly grinder.
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Maybe you have not seen the stainless steel version Cunill Tranquilo. Most retailers in Oz only sell the black one. Mine looks absolutely great next to my Gaggia Classic. And what a fantastic grinder as well. The squat 500g hopper fits nicely under my cupboard too.
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Woo, ive got the ibertial and the sylvia, REFERENCE TO NON SPONSOR REMOVED BY MODS, great guys there,
still trying to get around to going back t here and being shown a bit more on how to use my stuff :-)
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I agree with that. Theyve been a favourite of mine for many years, and I agree about the best coffee Ive ever had too. Still trying to get that result at home.Originally posted by robusto link=1110157172/0#14 date=1124102281I agree with that. Theyve been a favourite of mine for many years, and I agree about the best coffee Ive ever had too. Still trying to get that result at home.[/highlight]Originally posted by robusto link=1110157172/0#14 date=1124102281Reference to non-sponsor edited by mods
Thats where I got my Iberital/Silvia combo. Highly recommended for price, and service. The place is unbelievable. Not just a good place to buy machinery, but a professional cafe as well.
And they have a huge roasting operation there too. They also have many machines to demonstrate and compare, using their freshly-roasted beans.
But what reall knocked my socks off was the gratis latte they made while I waited for the new Silvia to warm up so they could give me my first coffee lesson.
Without a doubt, it was the most amazing, best, smoothest, greatest-tasting coffee Ive ever had. Anywhere.
Thats where I got my Iberital/Silvia combo. Highly recommended for price, and service. The place is unbelievable. Not just a good place to buy machinery, but a professional cafe as well.
And they have a huge roasting operation there too. They also have many machines to demonstrate and compare, using their freshly-roasted beans.
But what reall knocked my socks off was the gratis latte they made while I waited for the new Silvia to warm up so they could give me my first coffee lesson.
Without a doubt, it was the most amazing, best, smoothest, greatest-tasting coffee Ive ever had. Anywhere.
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I agree with that. Theyve been a favourite of mine for many years, and I agree about the best coffee Ive ever had too. Still trying to get that result at home.Originally posted by robusto link=1110157172/0#14 date=1124102281Reference to non-sponsor edited by mods
Thats where I got my Iberital/Silvia combo. Highly recommended for price, and service. The place is unbelievable. Not just a good place to buy machinery, but a professional cafe as well.
And they have a huge roasting operation there too. They also have many machines to demonstrate and compare, using their freshly-roasted beans.
But what reall knocked my socks off was the gratis latte they made while I waited for the new Silvia to warm up so they could give me my first coffee lesson.
Without a doubt, it was the most amazing, best, smoothest, greatest-tasting coffee Ive ever had. Anywhere.
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Fantastic stuff Rob!! Glad you were able to get yourself a great grinder at what sounds like an absolute bargin of a price! Certianly a nice looking, solid grinder.
Mearesy
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Hi Mearesy,
Thanks for the input. As it turns out, last week I bought a lightly used, 1 year old La Cimbali Domus grinder from my parents.
For those interested, here is a brief review on this grinder:
For starters, you dont see many of these grinders around. However, it has the most solid construction ive seen on any small-sized grinder. Its a charcoal-black cast-steel body rather than folded sheet metal (like the Rocky) and it tips the scales around the 7kg mark. I disassembled it to clean it and everything except the bean hopper, finger guard (which sits in the hopper) and doser chamber is steel, brass, or metal of some description. It has a very simple, uncomplicated interior design and construction.
The Domus uses 49mm burs and has roughly 27 grind adjustments (cant remember the exact number off the top of my head but I’m pretty sure its 27), however ive found that 2 or 3 is the ideal setting for Miss Silvia, depending on what type of bean you are grinding. I would have liked it to have been doserless, but beggars cant be choosers! I got it for such a low price (half what I would have paid for a new Lux) that I simply couldnt refuse the deal.
Grinding speed seems to be about average for this sized grinder. Id say its comparable to a Rocky or Gaggia MDF in terms of output per hour.
If anyone is interested, the Domus grinder can be purchased in Melbourne for around $470. As a side note, if I actually had to pay that kind of money for a new grinder, I probably would choose the Doserless Rocky, since they seem to perform as well as the Domus and are slightly cheaper. Having said that, this is built better in my opinion.
Also, they used to sell the Cunill Tranquilio(sp?) however they said they have stopped selling it in favour of the Domus because it wasnt moving (i.e. selling) due to its looks. By contrast, the Domus is quite attractive and is apparently starting to sell well.
See a picture of the Domus here: http://tinyurl.com/dohks
Cheers,
Rob.
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Howdy all
I know this is a bit of an old thread now but I just thought I would add in my vote and comments on the Ibertial grinders. I got one of these babys a bit over a month ago now (doser model) and its awesome!! Was going to get a lux, but got this instead... cost $20 more, but I got it locally, its built like a tank, and has stepless adjustments! Im very happy with the grinder, and would definatly recommend one to anyone whos looking around.
All that being said, I own a Sunbeam Cafe Crema.... so hey... Im the first to admit im still a nOOb at espresso!
Cheers
Mearesy
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Hey ihug007,
Dont forget about our erstwhile site sponsors, e.g. http://www.cosmorexcoffee.com.au/appliances.htm. Im sure you would be very well looked after and not only get a good deal but plenty of free professional advice whenever you need it 8-) . This sort of advice is worth its weight in gold....
Mal.
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Hmmm... I did try and find a seller of the Cunill but couldnt find one. Does anyone know a place that sells them in VIC?
I was also thinking that if I wait and buy the machine at the same time as the grinder, I may be able to swing an affordable deal down at Mocopan and pick up a Rocky with the Silvia
I went and inspected the Rockys (doser and doserless) on Saturday and was suitably impressed with the speed at which they grind, plus the excellent build quality when compared to the other grinders. I think if I were to go down the Rocky path I would get a doserless.
So I’m leaving my options open after all. Man, just when I thought I’d made a decision... :
Ill let you guys know what ends up happening.
Also, I saw a DVD Coffee Crazy in Dick Smith Electronics on the weekend that featured a barista - Paul Bassett? It looked like he had a sunbeam machine in the picture which leads me to believe that it may end up being included when someone purchases the new dual thermoblock Sunbeam? They were selling the DVDs separately for $12.86 I think. I must admit it did look odd seeing this dressed-up barista pulling a shot from a little Sunbeam!
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Hi All,
I guess when it is all boiled down, the significant criteria for decision making on which grinder to buy are, but not limited to:- Budget
- Usage
- Quality of Manufacture, and
- Quality of Grind
The "weighting" that an individual places upon each of these criterion will vary somewhat except for "Quality of Grind". For the rest though there will always be a wide range of variability and so long as the last criterion is placed first in importance, the rest will follow in behind... simple as that.
I will always defer to the experience and knowledge of a professional such as FC when it comes to specifics but if the aim is to try and buy a grinder that satisfies criterion #4 for the least outlay, then a Lux, an Ibertal or possibly a Tranquilo (no personal experience with these) will be ideal candidates. If ones main criterion is #3, then the sky, as they say, is the limit... and thats fine too because it all comes down to an individuals personal choice.
Cheers,
Mal.
Oh, and for Monti ;D , I should add another criterion.... * Appearance :-X
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I agree with you, FC, all the way.
That is why I am gald that I gave you my money for the Lux then someone else through the internet. I did find talking to you informative and I have learned a lot. I rather support the business of someone like you who is passionate about coffee and got his experience through many years of being in the industry and put hard work into building his own business.
Mind you, the price still had to be right, but as you mached the price of someone else, I was more then happy.
I think, though, for some people, bargain hunting is what they like, but there are a lot of people that prefer face to face, seeing, touching, trying, comparing, etc, and that is where specialty shops like yours come in that not only allow that but also provide coffee machines cleaning products, beans, syrups and more. There will always be some that buy the bread rolls from a chinese bakery and some that buy the same from Bakers Delight. One will not drive the other out of business. Those that go to one will not like to go to the other.
Internet is here to stay, and now it is more important then ever for shop owners like you to provide exepional service and to build up a close friendly clientbase that return for many years to come. When people come in the shop they must feel like they are family, and have to feel as if the shop was their own. If they know you better then just a guy that sells coffee stuff then they never want to give their money to anyone behind a firewall on the internet. It is about building relationships not selling stuff. But we all know that, anyway.
Now, back to the topic...............and the Tranquilo is still one ugly grinder. [smiley=laugh.gif]
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Monti,
there is no problem with bits / service for the Tranquilo. And I might add, there will be very little requirement for them (bits / service). Its a very sturdy & reliable, no frills small commercial grinder.
The price as mentioned above however is another issue. There are quite a few unprofessional traders cashing in on the interest in coffee and machines by selling all and sundry bits and pieces in ebay & elsewhere, at rock bottom prices. They need to turn over a hell of a lot of stock to keep their kids in school and with a roof over their head, considering I know what the equipment costs at wholesale before you add your margin.
If you are lucky enough to get some equipment at rock bottom price thats great, but just remember you are not dealing with a regular shop front from whom you can get "service and advice", who you can talk to face to face, and to whom you can refer any likely problems in the future. It costs money to give and or to get service, and to carry a stock of spare parts etc.
The problem then, is that subsequent questions regarding the equipment are directed to forums like this, where there is little input from those most able to give professional experienced advice and why should they (give input), except if there was s sytem put into place so they can charge for the consultation. Advice, that should / could have been obtained directly and in a few short minutes, from a regular shopfront vendor that might have made the sale, but at a higher, but fair price.
In future, when all the regular shopfront vendors have been knocked out of the game by all the internet & discount artists operating on a shoestring with no service, we will be faced with buying all our equipment from compurter generated voices at the end of a telephone line that will say words to th effect of:
Press 1 if you wish to purchase a grinder OR
Press2 if you wish to buy a coffee machine.
Press 3 if you wish to purchase a tranqiuilo;
Press 4 if you wish to purchase a rocky;
press 5 if you wish to purchase a lux;
Press 6 to get to the payment section;
Now enter your credit card numbers etc;
Press 9 to OK the transaction....
Right now P OFF because now I have your money and the item is being mail ordered out to you, thats the limit of the "service" I am going to give you and if you have any questions or other requirements, ask someone who cares (that would be someone "else")!
If we keep going at this rate, all selling will be monopolisd by "remotely positioned" (in terms of location) discount artists offering absolutely no service, and our shopping centres will be full of empty deserted shops. Private and public investment in property owneship will be a thing of the past, the stock market, property sector & building industries will have crashed...families everywhere will be ruined!
No one will talk to anyone else, and the only form of comunication will be by people (impersonally) emailing eachother asking for your lowest possible price. Telephones will be a banned (you cant have people commiunicating with eachother).
.....Playing the devils advocate as usual, but need to go and take some anti depressants quick smart before they come and take me away hehe haha to the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time and Ill be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats...........
Regardz,
FC.
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The Cunill Tranquillo sure is a fine machine, but it has to be the ugliest of all. Before you buy that one, make sure to picture it in your mind what it will look like next to your espresso machine on the kitchen bench.
Finding parts and service for it will be harder then any of the other machines talked about here too, I reckon.
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The tranquilo looks like a fine grinder, ten times the grinder that the lux is, for sure. I like the design and it looks tough and built to last. It also has the removable hopper and a robust stepped adjustment. How many adjustment points and are they numbered?
Grant
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