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  • #16
    Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

    2MCM
    Why isnt the 480 up to the task?
    Apart from its possible short term life...
    Is it the fluffy grind you dont like?
    I have one and i think the grind is consistent....im celebrating its 8month birthday this week!

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    • #17
      Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

      Originally posted by PhatBoy link=1185923313/15#15 date=1186115038
      2MCM
      Why isnt the 480 up to the task?
      Apart from its possible short term life...
      Is it the fluffy grind you dont like?
      I have one and i think the grind is consistent....im celebrating its 8month birthday this week!
      In my opinon, both the steps and the static are way too large. Every time someone upgrades form this grinder to a better one, they report big improvements in shot quality...

      Thatll do me ;-)

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      • #18
        Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

        just have a quick browse on these grinders. there are a couple of threads (one getting very long) dealing with design problems, and manufacturing problems. it seems like they are a bare minimum of an espresso grinder. basicly they have to be cheap though because the average person is only interested in frothy milk when they first buy a machine.

        I think the fact that sunbeam are giving the grinders away with the machine might say a bit about peoples disappointment when they find that their "cafe quality" espresso machine doesnt do it without a grinder. It also says something about how cheap these grinders must be to manufacture.

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        • #19
          Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480


          Yep that would be right, picked up my machine last Friday (27th) on impulse and now find this out.

          . . . . anyone else ?

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          • #20
            Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

            Originally posted by oompa link=1185923313/15#18 date=1186180463
            Yep that would be right, picked up my machine last Friday (27th) on impulse and now find this out.

            . . . . anyone else ?
            Would I pay $135 for a KG100 or another like grinder, not now (I did once, and it did the job).

            Would I pay $160 for an EM0480, yes and I would again. Mine works well and I grind into a nice tin (not plastic) and have no static issues. Getting my grind sorted was trial and error, but works well.

            Would I pay $260 plus for one of the better grinders (would like to) but at present the EM6910 and the EM0480 are reasonably matched and for the combined price. I have an affordable system at home, and get to enjoy coffee, and thats what it is all about.

            If I had a super pallet and or $$ to spare. Then I would go a better grinder and a better system, but the reality is; that I do not.

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            • #21
              Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

              Oompa dont stress too much. These are peoples opinions from what they know and like. Yes the 480 has had problems but people have fixed the problems and others have had no problem.

              In my opinion the Sunbeam deal is a good one. I bought the 480 a month ago and have been very happy with it. It is a hell of a lot better than no grinder and buying ground beans.

              Everybody has their taste and budget. I paid $160 for mine and couldnt afford/justify the next price to a Rocky!

              Ive been trying to make a decision on what to buy for the last few months. Whether to go the Silvia or the Sunbeam. Once you buy the Silvia and PID it then I think the Sunbeam deal looks really good for the price. Ive read all the above comments and went into panic and thought ive done the wrong thing. But no I havent! If I am happy with what I have now Imagine how much happier I am going to be with the em0690!

              Each to their own!!
              Sue

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              • #22
                Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480


                When I did the complimentary Sunbeam Coffee Appreciation course all the grinders that they used were the EM0480 and I think theres a model underneath that as well, with the same conical burr.

                Ive read up on the Iberital, the Nemox Lux and the EM0480 and they all use identical burrs. So in THEORY they are the same grinder. Obviously they have other design parameters which affect the performance of the burrs, e.g. Iberital has bigger motor, Sunbeam use plastic carriers, and so on. However people have been drinking espressos for a long long time before motorised grinders came about. Imagine what it would have been like 50 years ago when all you could get for home would have been a hand grinder.

                So I wouldnt be disappointed if I had an EM0480. I bought a Rocky simply because I needed a grinder that had a doser, and I would have gone the Iberital but it would have been too tall next to my Sunbeam EM6910. And perhaps too bling bling shiny chrome next to the brushed aluminium look of the Sunny.

                I would have been happy with the EM0480 for my domestic needs if it had a doser.

                I like Sunbeam products and I have a matching Cafe Series knock box and Juicer.




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                • #23
                  Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

                  Thanks but probably should clarify, picked up my EM6910 last Friday, now just stuck with my KG100.... It makes a good coffee as a combo (well my KG100 seems an exception) but you know, the grass is always greener and all that

                  Originally posted by Sueb link=1185923313/15#20 date=1186188758
                  Oompa dont stress too much.  These are peoples opinions from what they know and like.  Yes the 480 has had problems but people have fixed the problems and others have had no problem.

                  In my opinion the Sunbeam deal is a good one.  I bought the 480 a month ago and have been very happy with it.  It is a hell of a lot better than no grinder and buying ground beans.

                  Everybody has their taste and budget.  I paid $160 for mine and couldnt afford/justify the next price to a Rocky!  

                  Ive been trying to make a decision on what to buy for the last few months.  Whether to go the Silvia or the Sunbeam.  Once you buy the Silvia and PID it then I think the Sunbeam deal looks really good for the price.  Ive read all the above comments and went into panic and thought ive done the wrong thing.  But no I havent!  If I am happy with what I have now Imagine how much happier I am going to be with the em0690!

                  Each to their own!!
                  Sue

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                  • #24
                    Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

                    Originally posted by Sueb link=1185923313/15#20 date=1186188758
                    Whether to go the Silvia or the Sunbeam. Once you buy the Silvia and PID it then I think the Sunbeam deal looks really good for the price.
                    Each to their own!!
                    Sue
                    Silvias are still a great machine for the money without a pid, I have a very consistent routine of temp surfing now, which is not really different in difficulty or time to flushing a hx machine. From a temp side of things I think my shots are consistent.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

                      Oh yeah no doubt Silvias are a great machine. There is just so much info on this forum it starts to do your head in after a while Well my head and I got quite crazy over the whole which way to go!!!!

                      and Oopma I thought you were meaning that you bought the combo and now there are posts that the 480 isnt that great. I see that you mean you bought it before the promo so you didnt get one Oh yeah and grass is always greener I suppose it just gives us something to strive for. And if you are happy with your coffee then thats all we could hope for

                      Sue

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                      • #26
                        Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

                        Originally posted by tempestv8 link=1185923313/15#21 date=1186192037
                        Ive read up on the Iberital, the Nemox Lux and the EM0480 and they all use identical burrs. So in THEORY they are the same grinder.
                        Even though the grinders referred to may use the same burr-sets, that doesnt mean that the implementation by the various manufacturers is identical. Many variables affect the ability of grinders fitted with these burr-sets to consistently and accurately grind coffee for espresso brewing, not the least of which is the design and fitment of the burr carrier(s), the strength of the rotor burr support and its thrust load support, the method of adjustment, etc, etc.

                        Manufacturers of grinders using these burr-sets that have stood the test of time and thus earned the respect of the espresso brewing community, have paid attention to all the important aspects of the design of said grinders and are considered the equal of any high quality grinder for domestic use. As with everything, one has to do the research before parting with ones hard-earned and something which seems, at first, to deliver on the potential of its promised performance may not live up to this "promise" on an ongoing basis. I guess thats where budget constraints enter the picture and one will normally get what you pay for. Good engineering, design and manufacturing all cost money and there is really no way around that.

                        Mal.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480


                          Indeed, thats true. The only way of getting a good grinder with a low budget would have to be buying a used, er, pre-loved one.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

                            I think people really need to look at their own needs, budget and long term directions when purchasing any equipment.

                            They also should be a little wary of forum responses for a number of reasons:

                            * People who own a product typically defend it
                            * People who own (or sell) another product may well benefit from discrediting it
                            * Many comments on forums are based on hearsay alone, no facts involved at all
                            * The volume of a product sold has a great impact on the view a product gets on forums, as forums are typically biased toward complaints/negatives

                            Im not trying to have a dig at anyone, just trying to highlight the fact that what one person sees as a bad buy may well be the best buy for someone else.

                            On the last point, it would be interesting to know some of the Australian sales figures of grinders, I suspect (but have no knowledge of facts or figures), that the EM0480 would be very high on the list for sales. If this is true then its likely that forums would be a little biased towards complaints about the EM0480. Again I stress I have no knowledge of facts or figures, I could be completely wrong, but I think it is something worth considering.

                            My opinion (and that its all it is) of the EM0480, which I own and am, so far, very happy with, is that it makes a very good domestic grinder. I find the steps to be small enough to adjust for my needs (yes, I know I only use a Moka Pot, but if you know what your doing, you still need to dial in the grind). I suspect this would be the case for many domestic users. If they perhaps regularly alternate to another form of coffee (i.e. filter), the steps are something that would be seen as a positive, not a negative.

                            If you are looking to be a Barista, or really want to be the best, or perhaps experience the best, then perhaps the EM0480 is not the right choice. But for most this needs to be balanced against a budget...

                            The above are just my ramblings. No need to shoot me if you dont agree.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

                              Gday mylesau,

                              What you say is fair enough and right on target and as always, it comes down to that old mantra of buying the best grinder you can afford, as this is the single most important piece of hardware towards attaining the best brew possible from ones beans. That is what we are all about here at CS, the coffee, and how to get the best out of the bean.

                              When ones preferred brewing method is espresso, then this puts a lot more pressure on the quality of grind and by extension, the grinder that produces it. When I first started off with espresso brewing, I bought the best grinder I could afford at the time, an Imat Lux, and despite it being a noisy little beast, it produced an excellent quality grind and I suppose the only thing that caused me frustration over time, was the fact that the grind adjustment steps were a little too wide making it extremely difficult to pour consistently good espressos.

                              Ultimately, the frustration levels grew to the point where I decided to upgrade from the Lux to a Rocky and even though some people have commented that even the Rockys steps are too wide, compared to a Lux, the Rockys were minute and I never had problems pouring consistently excellent quality espressos. I have been desirous of a commercial quality grinder with doser for some time so when an opportunity came up to get a used La San Marco in good nick, I bit the bullet and bought it, shortly thereafter selling my much loved Rocky.

                              What all the pros say about good quality commercial grinders is true... you really can taste an improvement in the quality of brews produced with such a grinder, it is very noticeable and Im very happy to have made the investment in the LSM. The doser on it is a real beaut too, not a single grain of coffee is left within the doser chamber, every last little speck is swept up by the doser vanes. The LSM will probably be the last grinder Ill ever buy, it really is built like a tank but with great attention to detail and finesse where that is needed. So, the old mantra remains true as far as Im concerned, buy the best grinder you can afford and you will get the best brews possible from your favourite bean.

                              Cheers,
                              Mal.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

                                I might just add that when I upgraded from an iberital challenge to a super jolly, There was a difference in taste however I couldnt say that one produces better shots then the other, however they do highlight different flavors, I think the super jolly gives a more mellow tasting coffee.
                                I think we have to be careful when upgrading grinders that we dont imagine too much flavor difference to justify to money we have laid out.
                                What really justifies the Mazzer (for me anyhow) is the usability. Dialing in the grind is really really easy. With new beans I usually have one sink shot and then I have the grind within acceptable espresso after that. Also there was always stale coffee left in the Challenge. The only way to really clear the chute is with a vacume, purging doesnt get rid of all the grind. The mazzer is really easy to brush the grinds out of the chute. I normally use this coffee in my shots so Im wasting even less. Changing to plunger and back takes 1 second.
                                Its a funny thing but since I have got the mazzer the need to upgrade the silvia has been put to rest. (for now anyway) Bad shots have much more to do with my roasting then my brewing.

                                so my tip is that the Challenge will make a great espresso, after this the increase in price is associated more with usability and durability. If you only drink milk coffee then you would have to have a very discerning palate to notice a difference. In espresso the difference is also minimal and is a change in flavor profile rather then quality imo.

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