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  • #31
    Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

    Originally posted by muppet_man67 link=1185923313/15#29 date=1186364257
    I think we have to be careful when upgrading grinders that we dont imagine too much flavor difference to justify to money we have laid out.
    Yep,

    Point appreciated MM.... However, it was my son who queried me initially about the coffee made using the LSM grinder, asked me if I was using a new blend or roast (it was still the same roast batch we had been using for the past few days) as he thought the brew had a much more distinctive flavour profile, i.e. individual flavour characteristics seemed to be more delineated and more easily identifiable. I still had Rocky on the bench at this stage so cranked him up and made another brew straight away to compare directly, and in my view he was right. The brews made using the LSM as opposed to the Rocky were more transparent.

    I dont really know why this should be, perhaps the LSM is able to maintain the exact orientation of the burr-plates more accurately than the Rocky, and somehow this translates to a more narrow grading of particle size? The LSM does seem to create a grind that has little or no fines in its make-up, whereas the Rockys output does create a small fraction of fines which possibly leads to over-extraction of this grind fraction resulting in a slightly "muddied" flavour profile. It beats me , but the result in the cup is quite noticeable, and thats where it counts....

    Mal.

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    • #32
      Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

      Mal, the longer Im here the more I learn...particularly about the importance of grinders.

      I wonder if you ground and weighed a small quantity of coffee in both grinders, then skipped making the espresso and placed the grinds directly on your tongue if you would be able to taste the difference?

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      • #33
        Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

        Originally posted by Dennis link=1185923313/30#31 date=1186378095

        placed the grinds directly on your tongue if you would be able to taste the difference?
        Only if the temperature of Mals tongue was between 94C and 96C

        ;D ;D ;D ;D

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        • #34
          Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

          Originally posted by Dennis link=1185923313/30#31 date=1186378095
          I wonder if you ground and weighed a small quantity of coffee in both grinders, then skipped making the espresso and placed the grinds directly on your tongue if you would be able to taste the difference?
          Hmmm,

          Dont know about that one Dennis, but I expect its more of an extraction issue than one of the taste of ground coffee by itself. Its a bit academic anyway, no longer own Rocky.... hes moved on to distant pastures :.

          Originally posted by JavaB link=1185923313/30#32 date=1186378597
          Only if the temperature of Mals tongue was between 94C and 96C

          ;D ;D ;D ;D
          LOL ;D ;D....

          I can just imagine the huge problems associated with this "X-Men" attribute.... :P

          Mal.

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          • #35
            Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

            Interesting Mal...its got me a thinking...however I dont have the bench space near the machine for anything much bigger than Rocky...if I move the machine it will end up too close to the wok burner!! I love the combo of Rocky and the Faema Due, and I have never tasted espresso so sweet. Having said that given the jump up from the EM6910 (which I always thought was very good - and now realise it was just very good for its price point; ie under $1,000) I will be left wondering whether a commercial grinder to go with my commercial machine would lift it that little bit more...bloody web site

            Cheers

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            • #36
              Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

              Where are you located ozscott?

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              • #37
                Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

                Originally posted by ozscott link=1185923313/30#34 date=1186396410
                I will be left wondering whether a commercial grinder to go with my commercial machine would lift it that little bit more...bloody web site
                Gday Oz,

                When I decided that I wanted to go for a doser grinder, it never really entered my head that opting for a commercial quality grinder was going to affect the quality of the brew in any way. I was only really after a decent doser since I also believed that Rocky was doing a pretty good job. The improvement in brew quality was both unexpected and educational at the same time :-? ,

                Mal.

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                • #38
                  Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

                  In Brisbane TG

                  Cheers

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                  • #39
                    Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

                    Originally posted by ozscott link=1185923313/30#34 date=1186396410
                    bloody web site
                    Gone!... Hook line and sinker! :-)


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                    • #40
                      Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

                      ozscott,

                      Ignorance is bliss.... but not half as much fun!

                      Apparently a conical commercial also produces a noticeably sweeter espresso than even a flat burr commercial because the grain size is even more consistent....

                      Ive read that you can get similar tasting espresso by discarding the first few ml from the pour made by a flat burr commercial....

                      Its all about the grinder.... and thats all about lots of $$$$$$$$!!!!!

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                      • #41
                        Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

                        Originally posted by JavaB link=1185923313/30#39 date=1186441677
                        Apparently a conical commercial also produces a noticeably sweeter espresso than even a flat burr commercial because the grain size is even more consistent....
                        Perhaps a lower priced domestic conical burr grinder could produce a sweeter espresso than some higher priced flat burr grinders?  The EM0480 is a conical burr grinder after all, and provided you get a good one...

                        Just trying to bring this thread back on topic :

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                        • #42
                          Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

                          Hehe, if we took all of the apparentlys and hearsays and exaggerations and speculations out of this site, I suspect there wouldnt be much left... a "ristretto" forum perhaps?

                          I dont buy a lot of what is said about grinders (or espresso machines for that matter), and, having bought too many gorgeous Italian hard-goods in my time, take the "you get what you pay for" argument with a grain of salt too.

                          Its damned difficult to get a handle on whats really important - eg, the site sponsor who posted here recently about running blind tests between grinders at opposite ends of the price scale (no, I dont mean the $60 specials!), and being unable to tell the difference.

                          One of the things I admire about sites like home-barista etc, is the lengths to which a certain kind of American (OK, sorry about the generalisation) will go to come up with objective answers to questions like this. I for one would love to see a side by side, properly set up comparison of a range of grinders. I have a feeling there would be quite a few pet theories put to rest.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

                            Originally posted by mylesau link=1185923313/30#40 date=1186443625
                            Perhaps a lower priced domestic conical burr grinder could produce a sweeter espresso than some higher priced flat burr grinders? The EM0480 is a conical burr grinder after all, and provided you get a good one...
                            Youre right on the money there mylesau,

                            Thats why the Iberital Challenge is so often recommended as a great espresso grinder, mainly the doser-less unit as the doser versions doser is very flimsy. If I had known about the Challenge before I bought the Rocky, that is probably the direction I would have gone but deciding that I wanted a decent doser grinder meant that I had to shift my sights to a semi or fully commercial grinder in order to get the quality doser.

                            When I had the Lux, I really racked the old brain trying to come up with a method to overcome the coarse adjustment steps without permanently altering its structure but with my limited workshop facilities there was little that I could do, hence, the reason I upgraded to the Rocky at that time. If all you are going to do is make espresso brews, then you would have to have a pretty good argument for bypassing the Challenge, its a great specialist espresso grinder.....

                            Mal.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

                              Originally posted by ozscott link=1185923313/30#37 date=1186438370
                              In Brisbane TG

                              Cheers
                              Hmmmm......a bit far to drop by with the Macap.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Sunbeam Promo Free EM0480

                                Hi

                                I sent off my redemption form for the free grinder from the new EM6910 on Monday 6th Aug. I know the offer says 4-6wks, but was interested to know if anyone had received their grinder yet?

                                Having to make do with getting my beans ground and it is really limiting my experimentation.

                                Thanks
                                Ben

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