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  • #31
    Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

    Well, if nothing else the BNZs are definitely in the same price category Dan.

    From what Ive heard, drop dead centre, stepped , and seriously chunky piece of bench hardware.

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    • #32
      Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

      There are so many mods floating around with the BNZs and theyre definately worth a look at.

      Last I checked the rrp of the nino was $3300 but a quick google will knock a couple of houndred dollars off that (non site sponsor).

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      • #33
        Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

        The BNZ conical was David Makins grinder of choice for the World Championships. One grinder he had modified to be stepless, the other was stepped and it was fine. I had modified his grinders to be timed as well just in time for the World Championships.

        Serious grinder and the best thing about it is the dosing.

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        • #34
          Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

          Gday Squozen - I suspect that you will enjoy the SJ. Have a look at the full Titan Grinder Challenge on Homebarista - interesting reading when the SJ is pitted against the Robur and Major.

          As Mal says if you still feel its inadequate please stick the SJ up for same here fist.

          Cheers

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          • #35
            Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

            Hi,
            Just a thought...
            If thinking about a super jolly ,What about a Macap electronic - I changed my Mazzer mini for one and am delighted with it
            Dr Dave

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            • #36
              Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

              Anyone had any experience with the Versalab M3? I know its like 1/3 of the price, but in theory it should do really well.

              I know, I know, it didnt go great in the titan grinder project followup (Can it beat the robur?), but they also said the rocky is better than a robur when underdosing - not sure how that came about, and I cant bring myself to believe it.

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              • #37
                Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

                Regardless of the Titan Grinder project (which has its holes IMHO), Id probably chose a Robur over anything else most days of the year.

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                • #38
                  Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

                  Originally posted by YeeZa link=1218366695/20#36 date=1219289248
                  Regardless of the Titan Grinder project (which has its holes IMHO), Id probably chose a Robur over anything else most days of the year.
                  So is that from experience Yeeza or just the rep (probably justified) the Robur has. Personally I would love to try them all side by side, not gonna happen in the near future tho.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

                    I think the main thing about the titan project that produced such suprising results was the method used. They went to every length to produce the "best" cup off coffee from each grinder, aiming to remove or control as many variables as possible. So many steps were put into action for every grinder including sifting the grinds to remove any clumps and reduce fines.
                    In a cafe this whole project has absolutely no relevance. And even for home use, I doubt youd find too many home baristas who go to these lengths on every shot they pull. Side by side a robur would kill a rocky if you just dosed, tamped and pulled a shot. Though (according to the tital project), if you put in these extra steps ((like sifting grind particals) then the rocky may, just may beat a robur.

                    Sure, if you feel like doing 45 seconds worth of work just to prep every shot (and using around 8 different tools) then maybe a SJ will suit you. If instead, you have the extra cash and prefer to just dose and tamp (taking around 8-10 seconds to prepare your shots), then something like a robur or k10 will dominate everytime.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

                      Originally posted by psaigh link=1218366695/20#38 date=1219291690
                      I think the main thing about the titan project that produced such suprising results was the method used. They went to every length to produce the "best" cup off coffee from each grinder, aiming to remove or control as many variables as possible. So many steps were put into action for every grinder including sifting the grinds to remove any clumps and reduce fines.
                      In a cafe this whole project has absolutely no relevance. And even for home use, I doubt youd find too many home baristas who go to these lengths on every shot they pull. Side by side a robur would kill a rocky if you just dosed, tamped and pulled a shot. Though (according to the tital project), if you put in these extra steps ((like sifting grind particals) then the rocky may, just may beat a robur.

                      Sure, if you feel like doing 45 seconds worth of work just to prep every shot (and using around 8 different tools) then maybe a SJ will suit you. If instead, you have the extra cash and prefer to just dose and tamp (taking around 8-10 seconds to prepare your shots), then something like a robur or k10 will dominate everytime.
                      10 second shot prep...wow you must be fast in competition Thats twice as fast as I go....lol

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                      • #41
                        Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

                        Originally posted by Martial Monkey link=1218366695/20#37 date=1219291314
                        Originally posted by YeeZa link=1218366695/20#36 date=1219289248
                        Regardless of the Titan Grinder project (which has its holes IMHO), Id probably chose a Robur over anything else most days of the year.
                        So is that from experience Yeeza or just the rep (probably justified) the Robur has. Personally I would love to try them all side by side, not gonna happen in the near future tho.
                        Mostly street cred; I have played with one (Robur) and taken it partially apart - its just built so well. I guess build quality is massive in my mind. And the grind quality has a record that speaks for itself... but the BNZs (especially modded) catch my eye also. I jsut want them all.... with no real need to. :-/

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                        • #42
                          Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

                          Originally posted by Wushoes - David S link=1218366695/20#39 date=1219292318
                          10 second shot prep...wow you must be fast in competition   Thats twice as fast as I go....lol

                          The secret is to go with pre-gound, or even instant if time is really pressed, hehe.

                          And I personally have used the k10 lined up against a robur (single phase) pulling shots through a synesos sabre. Shot for shot, i prefer the flavour of the k10. A lot more consistant pours, both during the pour and shot after shot. Granted were really just splitting hairs here. And the robur will outlast a k10 (would hate to think what would happen to a k10 if you dropped it, but i reckon the robur would bounce at least once or twice )

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                          • #43
                            Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

                            Originally posted by psaigh link=1218366695/40#41 date=1219570518
                            And the robur will outlast a k10
                            Is there evidence of that?

                            Originally posted by psaigh link=1218366695/40#41 date=1219570518
                            (would hate to think what would happen to a k10 if you dropped it, but i reckon the robur would bounce at least once or twice )
                            Wouldnt like to drop either really, and dont think theres much chance of them sliding off the bench.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

                              Having dropped a few grinders in my time - in the course of running exhibitions, events and coffee carts etc: I can say quite categorically that neither Mazzer or Compak (or any other brand of grinder for that matter) survive unscathed.

                              So its pretty useless point of comparison if thats what your buying point consideration is between the two.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

                                Originally posted by psaigh link=1218366695/0#7 date=1218490775
                                The grind quality between both is about the same.  IMHO a cafe doing more than 40kgs p/wk just through the one grinder will start to notice temp issues with the k10, but no so much with the robur, but for home use, both the same.  The build quility of the robur is better than the k10, though still not perfect (for that, youll need to get an elektra nino).  The chute on the k10 does collect more grams of coffee (+/-3.8g) but this is easily cleaned and even used if you find a thin plastic object to use to scoop the grind forward.

                                My pick, for home use is the k10, for the cafe, still k10 or for serious volume, elektra nino (that was the question wasnt it?)
                                Because I am near buying a Electra Nino,I ask if youhave any experience of this.
                                I also found this video in youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu59wyEvSvQ
                                I have a offer of €1680.00 including postage.
                                Regards.

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