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  • Fresh_Coffee
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    Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

    Well Im going to jump in here and say this......and it may even be a bit late considering when the topic was started.

    In the old days when I used to import Elektra equipment the grinders were rebadged Macap.

    I dont know what they do now.

    But if you want to buy a Macap M7K (high volume cafe conical), I brought half a dozen in in the last container which landed only a month ago.

    Ring me if you wish!

    Regardz,
    Attilio

    first / original CS site sponsor.

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  • luca
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    Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

    Originally posted by Koffee Kosmo link=1218366695/40#49 date=1225013168
    Theodore

    Elektra should be commended for its design & grinding innovations
    All grounds expelled by exposed chute and motor cooled by fan @ 500rpm

    But like a lot of Elektra products you pay for the finish a lot of that is probably due to a many hours of hand polishing to produce that ultra shine surface

    So the question is do you want a grinder that grinds well
    Or a grinder that grinds well and pay the extra Euros for its style and looks
    KK
    Regarding the innovations that Elektra should be commended with:
    *I think that Casadio beat them to the punch in coming up with that chute design with their Instantaneo grinder;
    *Its not apparent to me that this grinder is going to have less coffee left over immediately outside the burrs than any other grinder;
    *Many people had retrofitted fans to their grinders before Elektra did it and I think that Mazzer might also have beaten them to the punch;
    *In any case, Im just not sure that the fan is actually all that useful - Ben and Shaughan at 5 Senses did an experiment where they hacked up an old grinder and put temperature probes all over it, then ground 20 kg of coffee in a row and concluded that the heat doesnt really travel up from the shaft to the coffee;
    *Im pretty sure that the grinder is made by MACAP for Elektra.

    Regarding the fit and finish:
    *Last time that I saw this grinder in the flesh, I thought that the body was made from some sort of plastic;
    *If the grinder is manufactured by MACAP, then youd expect to be able to relate its price back to the other MACAP grinders.

    Im not trying to knock the grinder itself, with which I have little experience and would like to use a bit more, but I think that a bit of scepticism is warranted by the home barista considering ponying up this much cash.

    Cheers,

    Luca

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  • Koffee_Kosmo
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    Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

    Theodore

    Elektra should be commended for its design & grinding innovations
    All grounds expelled by exposed chute and motor cooled by fan @ 500rpm

    But like a lot of Elektra products you pay for the finish a lot of that is probably due to a many hours of hand polishing to produce that ultra shine surface

    So the question is do you want a grinder that grinds well
    Or a grinder that grinds well and pay the extra Euros for its style and looks
    KK

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  • Theodore
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    Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

    Eh,I have read this post by Mark Prince, which is, I think, usefull to see someone, the specs of the Nino grinder.
    http://coffeegeek.com/opinions/showreports/05-05-2007/15:40
    Regards.

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  • Koffee_Kosmo
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    Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

    OOOps my bad its
    €1680.00 including postage.
    Euros not AU dollars

    K10 or Elektra’s Macap equivalent in your area of the globe would be a more prudent choice

    KK

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  • TC
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    Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

    For mine, their stuff is massively overpriced and underdone in specification...

    3.3k in Australia for a grinder which is matched in spec. by the K10 diamond at half the price....

    Their machines puzzle me as well. Why would you build a 2 litre boiler and then only have 800W of element....Bizarre IMHO...:-?

    2mcm

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  • Koffee_Kosmo
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    Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

    Hi Theodore

    I believe that Elektra grinders are made by Macap
    And I dont have a problem with Macap build quality

    P.S
    Just had a look at the video and a few reviews
    Yes I would own one

    KK

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  • Theodore
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    Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

    Originally posted by psaigh link=1218366695/0#7 date=1218490775
    The grind quality between both is about the same.  IMHO a cafe doing more than 40kgs p/wk just through the one grinder will start to notice temp issues with the k10, but no so much with the robur, but for home use, both the same.  The build quility of the robur is better than the k10, though still not perfect (for that, youll need to get an elektra nino).  The chute on the k10 does collect more grams of coffee (+/-3.8g) but this is easily cleaned and even used if you find a thin plastic object to use to scoop the grind forward.

    My pick, for home use is the k10, for the cafe, still k10 or for serious volume, elektra nino (that was the question wasnt it?)
    Because I am near buying a Electra Nino,I ask if youhave any experience of this.
    I also found this video in youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu59wyEvSvQ
    I have a offer of €1680.00 including postage.
    Regards.

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  • Metreo
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    Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

    Having dropped a few grinders in my time - in the course of running exhibitions, events and coffee carts etc: I can say quite categorically that neither Mazzer or Compak (or any other brand of grinder for that matter) survive unscathed.

    So its pretty useless point of comparison if thats what your buying point consideration is between the two.

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  • Dennis
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    Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

    Originally posted by psaigh link=1218366695/40#41 date=1219570518
    And the robur will outlast a k10
    Is there evidence of that?

    Originally posted by psaigh link=1218366695/40#41 date=1219570518
    (would hate to think what would happen to a k10 if you dropped it, but i reckon the robur would bounce at least once or twice )
    Wouldnt like to drop either really, and dont think theres much chance of them sliding off the bench.

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  • psaigh
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    Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

    Originally posted by Wushoes - David S link=1218366695/20#39 date=1219292318
    10 second shot prep...wow you must be fast in competition   Thats twice as fast as I go....lol

    The secret is to go with pre-gound, or even instant if time is really pressed, hehe.

    And I personally have used the k10 lined up against a robur (single phase) pulling shots through a synesos sabre. Shot for shot, i prefer the flavour of the k10. A lot more consistant pours, both during the pour and shot after shot. Granted were really just splitting hairs here. And the robur will outlast a k10 (would hate to think what would happen to a k10 if you dropped it, but i reckon the robur would bounce at least once or twice )

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  • yeeza
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    Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

    Originally posted by Martial Monkey link=1218366695/20#37 date=1219291314
    Originally posted by YeeZa link=1218366695/20#36 date=1219289248
    Regardless of the Titan Grinder project (which has its holes IMHO), Id probably chose a Robur over anything else most days of the year.
    So is that from experience Yeeza or just the rep (probably justified) the Robur has. Personally I would love to try them all side by side, not gonna happen in the near future tho.
    Mostly street cred; I have played with one (Robur) and taken it partially apart - its just built so well. I guess build quality is massive in my mind. And the grind quality has a record that speaks for itself... but the BNZs (especially modded) catch my eye also. I jsut want them all.... with no real need to. :-/

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  • Wushoes
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    Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

    Originally posted by psaigh link=1218366695/20#38 date=1219291690
    I think the main thing about the titan project that produced such suprising results was the method used. They went to every length to produce the "best" cup off coffee from each grinder, aiming to remove or control as many variables as possible. So many steps were put into action for every grinder including sifting the grinds to remove any clumps and reduce fines.
    In a cafe this whole project has absolutely no relevance. And even for home use, I doubt youd find too many home baristas who go to these lengths on every shot they pull. Side by side a robur would kill a rocky if you just dosed, tamped and pulled a shot. Though (according to the tital project), if you put in these extra steps ((like sifting grind particals) then the rocky may, just may beat a robur.

    Sure, if you feel like doing 45 seconds worth of work just to prep every shot (and using around 8 different tools) then maybe a SJ will suit you. If instead, you have the extra cash and prefer to just dose and tamp (taking around 8-10 seconds to prepare your shots), then something like a robur or k10 will dominate everytime.
    10 second shot prep...wow you must be fast in competition Thats twice as fast as I go....lol

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  • psaigh
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    Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

    I think the main thing about the titan project that produced such suprising results was the method used. They went to every length to produce the "best" cup off coffee from each grinder, aiming to remove or control as many variables as possible. So many steps were put into action for every grinder including sifting the grinds to remove any clumps and reduce fines.
    In a cafe this whole project has absolutely no relevance. And even for home use, I doubt youd find too many home baristas who go to these lengths on every shot they pull. Side by side a robur would kill a rocky if you just dosed, tamped and pulled a shot. Though (according to the tital project), if you put in these extra steps ((like sifting grind particals) then the rocky may, just may beat a robur.

    Sure, if you feel like doing 45 seconds worth of work just to prep every shot (and using around 8 different tools) then maybe a SJ will suit you. If instead, you have the extra cash and prefer to just dose and tamp (taking around 8-10 seconds to prepare your shots), then something like a robur or k10 will dominate everytime.

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  • Martial_Monkey
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    Re: Help me decide - K10 WBC or Robur?

    Originally posted by YeeZa link=1218366695/20#36 date=1219289248
    Regardless of the Titan Grinder project (which has its holes IMHO), Id probably chose a Robur over anything else most days of the year.
    So is that from experience Yeeza or just the rep (probably justified) the Robur has. Personally I would love to try them all side by side, not gonna happen in the near future tho.

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