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  • Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

    These two grinders are on my short list for home use and will be used on a bezzera Domus galatea. They are similar in price, and I have the space for them (just)
    I pull three doubles every morning, and dont use the machine much other than that.
    I like the mazzers looks, and doserlessness, but dislike the apparent fiddly hopper removal, and lack of a standard short hopper.
    The compak seems to have a slight edge in grind quality, is easy to get a very small hoppper, but is dosered and not as aesthetically pleasing to my eyes.

    Ive been using a cunill tranquilo and a sunbeam em0480 for the last year, I want richer crema and better extraction. Ive done a bit of research, but its hard to find comments about the major e-most seem to suggest its grind quality is similar to a super jolly?

    Which would you buy given the choice??

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    Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

    I get plenty of oooze and crema from my Mazzer Major doser model
    I like it very much

    This is a question of conical vs flat burs

    KK

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    • #3
      Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

      Given the choice, Id go the K10 and a K3 hopper. There is also a K10 doserless electronic coming to Australia as well. I really believe that the conicals do put a result in the cup. Best bet to speak to some sponsors for some opinions. There are at least 4 very happy CSers I know of with Mazzer Kony-e grinders.

      I also have 2 Kony-e grinders. Both are terrific and I reckon theyre worth every cent over a Major-e for home use. New Aussie stocks are about a month away as I understand.

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      • #4
        Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

        Thanks for the advice.
        I do have an irrational leaning to get the major-even if I only keep it a couple of years Im sure it will be a big improvement, and hold its value well. Reassuring to know it gets the good crema on a domus KK.

        The kony-e is certainly an option, and a doserless K10....good choices if I can wait and save a bit more!

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        • #5
          Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

          Definitely go for a big conical over the planar burrs option.... Im enjoying my coffee from a completely new perspective now, since grabbing the Kony-E from Chris. The difference is at least as great as going from a small planar burrs grinder like a Rocky to something like a Super Jolly, but much more in my view.... 8-)

          Mal.

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          • #6
            Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

            Go the Kony! I have a Robur E and a Kony doser at work and i love using the kony. Use to have a Major and while it will produce great espresso the kony has the edge, and its quiter than the flat burrs - i love the sound of conicals.
            One more thing to think about, however, is are you going to use your grinder to grind for other brewing methods like filter coffee or syphon etc? If you are then a flat burr might be the way to go.

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            • #7
              Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

              Originally posted by 6B7E717176711F0 link=1266365546/3#3 date=1266391905
              Thanks for the advice.
              I do have an irrational leaning to get the major-even if I only keep it a couple of years Im sure it will be a big improvement, and hold its value well. Reassuring to know it gets the good crema on a domus KK.
              Have a look at this video of my set up
              Machine - Bezzera Galatea
              Grinder - Mazzer Major
              Beans - Sumatra Blue home roasted on the KKTO Roaster

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkWjQnLJ6-E

              KK

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              • #8
                Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

                Thats a good pour!
                Big conicals seem to be fairly consistently favoured.
                Luckily Veneziano in Brisbane has a Major-e and a robur-e on their bench.
                Im going to do some tasting comparisons for the next few weeks, just to see if I can pick a conical from a flat. my preference is Mazzer and doserless, which means mini-e, major-e or kony-e. K10 my only other option.
                Ive heard of people putting super jolly burrs into a mini-e (they are the same size, but different cut) so that might be an option.
                Will report back in a few weeks. 8-)

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                • #9
                  Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

                  FWIW tried the major e with a single origin (?ElSalvador) today. Produced a beautiful persistent thick crema with vibrant flavours-clove/fivespice/anise hints. The acidity in the cup was almost too much-bracing like a steely white wine.
                  The robur (standard not e) was a blend called pure-crema was less defined, and dissipated more quickly, flavours were darker, much lower acidity, but great palatability and depth in a caramel/tobacco mould.
                  The profiles were the opposite of what I expected, but of course the beans are very different-and not sure how many days post roast they were either. Cant read too much into todays taste off.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

                    Originally posted by 71646B6B6C6B050 link=1266365546/8#8 date=1266635466
                    FWIW tried the major e with a single origin (?ElSalvador) today. Produced a beautiful persistent thick crema with vibrant flavours-clove/fivespice/anise hints. The acidity in the cup was almost too much-bracing like a steely white wine.
                    The robur (standard not e) was a blend called pure-crema was less defined, and dissipated more quickly, flavours were darker, much lower acidity, but great palatability and depth in a caramel/tobacco mould.
                    The profiles were the opposite of what I expected, but of course the beans are very different-and not sure how many days post roast they were either. Cant read too much into todays taste off.
                    Youre comparing apples with oranges so a proper comparison cant be made, as you allude to.

                    Best thing really you know, is to take a bag of beans (that you understand really well) with you then try them out on different grinders. At least then you should be able to identify any flavour nuances between the various units. I think the Major-E is a pretty speccy grinder too and was on my short list. It is much faster than a Kony-E, on a par with the Robur-E in fact.

                    In the end, I went for the Kony-E because it does produce an overall brighter cup with terrific delineation of all the flavours in the profile. The Major I managed to test out (in a nearby cafe) was great too but the flavours were more muted/blended and tending more towards the bass notes of chocolate and the heavier spices. If thats what you really enjoy in a brew, then thats great but I do have a preference for brighter, in your face styles of coffee so the Kony suits me perfectly.... 8-)

                    Youre doing the right thing though, make the decision based upon what your palate tells you, nothing else matters..... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

                    Mal.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

                      Had about a week on he kony e at work coming from a leone and its amazing. Spend some time setting your doses and its amazing. Never going back (still got the leone mill as a backup. Hardly compares)

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                      • #12
                        Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

                        Kony certainly has a few fans out there. Not too many Major supporters, though the K10 is up there.
                        Ive tried the major V robur again-and there wasnt much in it-but havent been able to use the same beans in them. FWIW the barista thought it was overkill to get a major or kony for home; mind you he had a robur at his home 8-)
                        Im saving up for a kony, I think-though might check the K10 doserless pricing later in the year.
                        Thanks for all the feedback

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                        • #13
                          Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

                          Originally posted by 3E2B242423244A0 link=1266365546/11#11 date=1268131197
                          Ive tried the major V robur again-and there wasnt much in it-but havent been able to use the same beans in them
                          Sounds like your experiment had at least two variables  :-?

                          To make any sort of valid conclusion from that would be impossible....

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                          • #14
                            Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

                            Went for this one in the end-still cant quite believe it is sitting in my kitchen

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                              Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

                              Another pic



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