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  • Jono_Willmer
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    You wont be disappointed.

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  • Stevesonbeans
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    Thanks all. I went the plunge on the macap. Due any day now.

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  • mft
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    never had a m4

    but i had a mini-e and its is very clean compared to a doser

    esp if you want to make one/two quick coffees .. just brush it down and your done

    but that timer adjustment screw is annoying to change as u need a screwdriver.. but at least with the button version you can manually add a bit extra.

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  • JDCrema
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    Have not used the Mazzer, I do own an M4D, it is a great grinder, quiet, NOT messy, quick, easy to adjust especially the fine adjustment required as beans age, grind retention I believe is not an issue either (although havent got to great lengths to weigh and check the amount). At times there is clumping but its not excessive and a tap on the bench breaks most of it up, would I buy again, definitely.

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  • chonski
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    Originally posted by 7255445744524E4F4344404F52210 link=1326802956/29#29 date=1327747755
    Thanks Chonsky,
    Tell me, do you find the macap messy ?
    IMO its no messier than the Mini-E and/or the Rocky.
    I think it would depend on your technique / routine.
    If you updose a lot you are going to find some spillage over the sides of the basket. If you tap to settle before topping up you wont spill as much etc.

    As it is with me I run the double shot on the M4D for about 8.4 secs and top up manually. I get a few grinds on the grind catcher but for me its definitely no worse than what the Rocky did...

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  • Stevesonbeans
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    Thanks Chonsky,
    Tell me, do you find the macap messy ?

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  • chonski
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    Originally posted by 684F5E4D5E485455595E5A55483B0 link=1326802956/27#27 date=1327724139

    Also, havent seen any mention of noise levels.
    From memory I think both the Mini-E and M4D are around the same level noise wise, however Id argue the M4D is "quieter" overall because it is running for less time with each shot 

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  • Stevesonbeans
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    Im reading the thread with great interest as I have the same decision pending !  Im told / aware that the

    Macap 4D is 2x faster, easier to adjust (screw) and a bit more compact. However the mini-E isnt as messy (due to the bigger conical shute) and clumps less (due to the screen). Is there no mythical grinder that can do it all ! ?

    I roast my own, I love the variation I get from coffee, but I do love getting the best from each bean as well. Often people ask why I bother roasting, and I tell them I love the differences. Its life finding a great new cafe each week. the point of mentioning this is that I expect that being able to alter grind and time is going to be more important to me (not critical at present because I think my Rocky grind adjustment is kaput and so I dont bother at present to adjust).

    Im leaning toward the macap for this reason, however I do hate all the cleaning of coffee grounds at the moment so that big mini-e Shute looks mighty enticing.

    Someone put me out of my misery... I need the golden goal ! Or do I flip a coin ?

    Also, havent seen any mention of noise levels.

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  • chonski
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    Looks like the OP has already figured out what theyre doing...but M4D owner here chipping in anyway

    I know the OP was originally talking about the E versions as opposed to the doser/manual versions, but I can speak about the Mini-E and the M4D as my mate has the Mini-E and I ended up buying the M4D

    Very impressed with both grinders. I think both do the job very well and wouldnt have a problem with owning either.
    However I picked the M4D and the main differences I noticed are:
    - clumping - M4D clumps more. Bit of WDT takes care of that but its an extra step required if youre after the god shot
    - time - M4D ~twice as quick to grind, approx 8.5 secs for a double
    - size - M4D is a bit more compact and I preferred that
    - grind retention - I didnt get the scales out or anything, but my feeling is the M4D retains more than the Mini-E. Im guessing ~5g are retained in the M4D? Would any other M4D owners have a comparison for me?

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  • jaybee
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    The real test of a domestic grinder is to get a brand new machine, put say 19g of beans in it and run the whole lot through.

    Weigh the grounds and you will find out how much coffee is left inside the machine going stale.

    With my standard mini Mazer, an artists paint brush (size 14!) clears the chute and ensures that 19g in = 19g out.

    Again, not an issue for the pros - running the stale grounds out at the beginning of the day is just part of the process. For me, its the most important shot of the day and I want it to be good!

    And yes, different coffees, different grind settings, different weights - but not by a great amount. The tamp is always the same, so if I have over dosed I can adjust the amount with a flick of the brush. The aim is to get within a smidge of the right dose every time and to maximise those beans

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  • skelly
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    Ill do a test for weight consistency with the mazzer, as im now curious...but I wonder how important weight really is?

    Im not taking a shot at people who weigh beans, but im curious about the benefits. Does weighing improve consistency (flavour), or simply reduce wastage and aging?

    What happens if you use heavier beans, and this causes your output volume to be lower than usual? Do you top up the volume in your basket, or just tamp lighter?

    (i assume bean weight varies with age, origin and roast... Im sure that could be tested, too, using fluid displacement and a set of 0.01 scales)


    I think the timers purpose is to give the right volume, rather than the right weight (it actually wouldnt be difficult to manufacture a doser that delivers a set weight of ground coffee).
    The timer delivers a volume of ground coffee based on time, but the volume also varies depending on bean density and grind coarseness...you set the timer according to the volume you want. If the beans are consisent, the volume should be consistent and therefore so should the weight...right?

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  • jaybee
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    Originally posted by 57656A7065687169040 link=1326802956/22#22 date=1327492329
    Originally posted by 505B43585F5F3A0 link=1326802956/20#20 date=1327482799
    Fresh, consistent and economic - no contest
    While I agree completely with what you say JayBee its simply not practical in a commercial situation.
    Indeed - weighing gets over the lack of throughput in the domestic sitution and is not necessary for a professional environment, but getting back on topic, these are domestic (albeit high-end) machines which have various dosing mechanisms that are in reality just coffee traps for the home barista.

    My Mini Ms doser is only ever of use at dinner parties, and being an anti-social git, thats not that often ;D

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  • Santalum
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    Originally posted by 505B43585F5F3A0 link=1326802956/20#20 date=1327482799
    Fresh, consistent and economic - no contest
    While I agree completely with what you say JayBee its simply not practical in a commercial situation.

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  • Jono_Willmer
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    I had a m5 doser and I loved it easy to adjust the grind in small amounts (good unless you like to change grind between pour over or plunger and espresso. I left it running one day and it didnt survive yes it was my own fault but it should have had a thermal cut out on it, it basically caught on fire, filled the house with smoke by the time I got home.

    So I bought a Mazzer mini e so that could never happen again like the doserless but I find it harder to get consistent results with this grinder I dont think its distribution is as good. It defiantly requires a better technique than I seem to employ. It seems bullet proof though and it has a classic cafe look to it which I like, looks good next to my new Alex Duetto III.

    I do prefer the MACAPs but wont buy another one just because of the fire danger and that they didnt think about the fact that it could be left on without any safety measures. The m4 D would have this issue though and looks great too.

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  • jaybee
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    Originally posted by 7D6E7B73721C0 link=1326802956/18#18 date=1327445408
    This might not be the right thread, but I see it often when doses are weighed - a 0.2gm accuracy is 1% in a 20gm shot. This equates to approx 3/4 of a bean - I just fail to see that 3/4 of a bean makes a quantifiable difference that can be tasted.... Or maybe its just me.

    And also, by weighing, there are no beans to stale in the hopper and no wastage of those precious little fellas.

    Fresh, consistent and economic - no contest.

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