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  • #31
    Originally posted by JamesM View Post
    Clearly he hasn't used one.
    Nope, not possible. I'm not prepared to purchase one as I feel they're overpriced for what they are!

    I know for a fact that the importer (non-sponsor) sets an unrealistic wholesale price with a tiny margin. This makes it a waste of time to purchase them in wholesale quantities with a view to reselling them. As it is illegal to refuse supply, they effectively create a monopoly and capture the importer and reseller margin for themselves. They do this with their espresso machines too. I know this as I was personally refused supply.

    If they'd like to send one of their grinders over for review, I'll gladly do it at my hourly rate. Seems only fair.

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    • #32
      heh, sneaky. I was talking to Jono at Dimattina a few weeks ago about exactly this, he was personally in the market for a Baratza and was shocked that the cheapest he could get wholesale was still more than importer's retail price. He ended up just buying from the importer/retailer at the 10%-off "mates rates" cost.

      it is a monopoly!

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
        If they'd like to send one of their grinders over for review, I'll gladly do it at my hourly rate. Seems only fair.
        There are already a huge number of videos, reviews and posts online to be able to get a good idea of how suitable it is for any particular user.

        A review from a dealer who doesn't sell it and dislikes the importers would mean little, we're not that silly.

        I received this grinder in a day, interstate, regional. The ordering process was smooth, many companies fail here already. It was sent the day I ordered. The price was published online, not this "Call dealer for price" stuff. I like this and will probably look on their site first for other goods in future.

        I ordered from another well known dealer just prior, same distance away, comparable postage cost. 7 days after they told me it had been shipped, I started tracking it down, visiting the post office, intercepting the postie, calling Australia Post. Finally contacting the dealer they told me there were delays in sending. Fail. Gone.

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        • #34
          Excellent- they should employ you Simon....if they don't already

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          • #35
            I get the feeling they already seem to be running smoothly.

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            • #36
              preciso

              Originally posted by simonko View Post
              I get the feeling they already seem to be running smoothly.
              if you could call waiting for a return call for 3 to 4 days running smooth i think not

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              • #37
                Omar doesn't seem to share your enthusiasm Simon.... CoffeeGeek - Baratza Virtuoso Preciso - Omar B's Review

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Dennis View Post
                  Omar doesn't seem to share your enthusiasm Simon.... CoffeeGeek - Baratza Virtuoso Preciso - Omar B's Review
                  I think he does actually, company really nice, machine operated really nice (when it worked). That's all I've been enthusiastic about. I'm well aware some people have had issues, hence the Baratza thread I started last week mentioning another review even worse than Omar's. Those two reviewers also had older machines, the gearing has been revised now.

                  There are 13 other happy reviews there too. Pick any grinder and if it's popular enough, there will be issues posted.

                  I'd just rather have a grinder with a 20% failure rate that meets my specs and has easy access to cheap parts than one that doesn't meet my specs, costs more and requires me to mail the thing back to a dealer if things go wrong.
                  Last edited by simonko; 16 February 2013, 10:45 PM.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by simonko View Post
                    ..... I'd just rather have a grinder with a 20% failure rate that meets my specs and has easy access to cheap parts than one that doesn't meet my specs, costs more and requires me to mail the thing back to a dealer if things go wrong.....
                    Simon I'm glad you are happy with your choice and it would be strange indeed for a new owner of whatever equipment not to be happy with his choice.

                    I think at this point however it will be pertinent to mention, that I for one am in utter disbelief of your choice of justifications.

                    Happy to accept say, a 20% failure rate, to get availability of cheap parts, so that DIY repairs can be effected, so as not to have to send equipment back to base?

                    When for very few more dollars, equipment can be purchased that is known to have virtually a ZERO % failure rate, virtually no need of spare parts (cheap, expensive or otherwise), and is therefore unlikely except over a period of a great many years to have to go back to base anyway?

                    Its your money and you can do whatever you like with it, but I'm not following the logic.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by simonko View Post
                      I think he does actually, company really nice, machine operated really nice (when it worked). That's all I've been enthusiastic about.
                      He rated the grinder a '2' out of 10 for quality, '5' overall, and a 'no' for 'would buy again?'....might be pushing it to be described as 'enthusiasm', but fair enough, he had some kind words to say about the service from the manufacturer. To each their own, I guess.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Baratza Preciso

                        Sorry but was I the only one who saw someone slagging off this product because the distributor screwed them around? That like getting rejected by a girl and creating rumours that she's a slut.

                        So unprofessional, but it's ok cos he's a sponsor.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Jeffie View Post
                          Sorry but was I the only one who saw someone slagging off this product because the distributor screwed them around? That like getting rejected by a girl and creating rumours that she's a slut.

                          So unprofessional, but it's ok cos he's a sponsor.
                          Charming turn of phrase. Probably not quite necessary.

                          Would you care to quote the post that 'slags off' the 'product' for that reason? There's certainly one post (#31), in response to your direct query, that has a red hot go at the distributor's behaviour, and states that because of that behaviour, the grinder isn't worth buying at wholesale price. And, there are certainly other posts from sponsors and others having a go at the (apparent) reliability of the grinder. You seem to have drawn a line of causation that is possible, but ain't necessarily there.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Jeffie View Post
                            Sorry but was I the only one who saw someone slagging off this product because the distributor screwed them around? That like getting rejected by a girl and creating rumours that she's a slut.

                            So unprofessional, but it's ok cos he's a sponsor.
                            Jeffie- It's illegal in Australia to refuse supply. The importer can "legally" do this by setting a wholesale price which is at or near to the retail price so that nobody will buy it and he can have a monopoly. Now if you think that's appropriate and professional behaviour, go ahead and direct your criticism at the rest of us who choose to run ethical businesses. The importer has no competition so he might double his money- maybe more. So let's speculate.... He might pay $150/unit and charge the purchaser $330 on something which should sell at a significantly lower price. Fair? Reasonable?

                            For your information- not that it's actually any of your business, we have never approached the importer on this grinder because my opinion is that it's no better than the Breville which I can buy a whole lot cheaper if I choose. I have no interest in stocking is as it is merely another appliance- which the biggies don't sell. We did approach on an espresso machine some years ago and received a refusal. Others have experienced the same treatment.

                            For mine, this thread reeks of a stacked deck. My BS detector went off a long time ago.
                            Last edited by TC; 17 February 2013, 12:17 PM. Reason: clarification

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                            • #44
                              What a hornets nest!

                              Ive had a look at the reviews on both breville smart grinder and baratza and at least with the baratza its widely agreed it can grind well.

                              But with the breville there are lots of reports that it wont grind fine enough for esspresso and people swap them out for new in the hope of a better set of burrs.

                              Plus the breville looks like a small version of my food processor.

                              Also not sure where you are coming from on wholesale purchase of the Baratza chris: to my way of thinking the importer has decided not to generally make it available through other retailers and hence keeps that price high and not attractive to you. As the sole imported surely that is their decision, not necessarily unprofessional, just commercial. And their motive is to protect the brand: they realize if you have just one on the shelf you can use it to cross sell to your preferred brands with higher margin. Or they have low margin on it in the first place.

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                              • #45
                                Well just my luck, it looks like I got a bad one.

                                I have done the calibration procedure and set my grinder to the finest possible setting with the screw.
                                I have also set the grinder to the finest grind possible for macro and micro adjustments.

                                Still not grinding fine enough. The shot on my EM6910 sat just at the start of the yellow zone, shot was done in under 10 seconds.

                                Not happy!

                                Having said that, the coffee did taste just as good as my properly calibrated slow shot with my old EM0450.

                                Looks like I'm going to have to box it back up and send it back to 5 senses ><

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