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  • WenV
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    Comparing the Mazzer Mini and Baratza Preciso

    Originally posted by chokkidog View Post
    Hi WenV,

    Welcome to CoffeeSnobs!!!
    Every forum seems to have one, or two...........but nice response.

    The info re Breville BCG800 concerning model change and shims is on the Breville BCG800 thread, here on CS in the grinder section,
    page 21 starting at post #1008 and again at #1014. Probably elsewhere too but thats a start.

    We all start our home coffee journey somewhere and sooner or later use the net as a resource. I did, I only knew people with plungers
    and didn't know where else to go. It was the door that opened all the other doors........

    Yes, there's lots of BS, drivel, flat earthers, bullies and nay sayers but if you read enough and have an enquiring and discerning mind it's a valuable resource.
    And I've nearly always thought that CS was just that.

    Cheers
    Thanks, chokkidog, for the links! I will have a good read of it next. I am learning lots from this forum, and thank you for your encouragement.

    Cheers, WenV

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  • WenV
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    Comparing the Mazzer Mini and Baratza Preciso

    [QUOTE=Fresh_Coffee;487217]Thank you WenV for the considered response. The grinders discussed all have something to offer, and no matter which one you eventually choose to purchase, you will get a high level home use grinder that will keep you in good coffee for some time.

    Thank you, Attilo, for your feedback on the grinders. I am sure I will learn a lot from your posts (past and present) on things coffee.

    Cheers, WenV

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  • Fresh_Coffee
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    Thank you WenV for the considered response. The grinders discussed all have something to offer, and no matter which one you eventually choose to purchase, you will get a high level home use grinder that will keep you in good coffee for some time.

    Thank you chokkidog for the references in the brev thread. I was actually going to let the people directly concerned (brev is a sponsor here) do a bit of work for themselves on that score.

    Thank you Barry O for being one of the number who did not misunderstand the intention of my line of discussion.

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  • NakiChap
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    Come on this is all getting weird,lets just keep to the pros and cons of the grinders for the mainly amature users out there looking at them,I think those of us who have pulled a 1000 + shots and drink it black can make up their own minds,

    Lighten up a bit on the newby

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  • Barry O'Speedwagon
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    Originally posted by WenV View Post
    Like I said initially, I'm new to the coffee scene and I'm only looking for other people's experience of the Preciso or even the Smart Grinder before I make a purchase. There's no way for me to make comparisons except through my research on the Internet as I don't know anyone in my circle of friends or family that owns either grinder.

    As for the comment that one can't agree with James' assessment of the Preciso without direct experience of it, I find it a fundamentally flawed argument. Mainly due to the fact that my reading of other's direct experience of the Preciso is sumilarly to James'. Hence, I can agree on that.
    My friend, there's a big difference between noting that 'this review is consistent with others I've read', and proclaiming that 'I totally agree with your assessment of the Precisio'. Your own logic is not 100% spot on here.

    Originally posted by WenV View Post
    With all due respect, Attilo, if your intention is to educate new people like myself to understand coffee and coffee equipment better, your starting statement came across as critical and not helpful. Just my 2c...
    People new to coffee would have a much easier time if it were easier to distinguish informed and uninformed opinions, I suspect (i.e. opinions based, at the very minimum, in direct experience with the equipment being discussed). You will learn a lot if you search through FC's posts.

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  • chokkidog
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    Hi WenV,

    Welcome to CoffeeSnobs!!!
    Every forum seems to have one, or two...........but nice response.

    The info re Breville BCG800 concerning model change and shims is on the Breville BCG800 thread, here on CS in the grinder section,
    page 21 starting at post #1008 and again at #1014. Probably elsewhere too but thats a start.

    We all start our home coffee journey somewhere and sooner or later use the net as a resource. I did, I only knew people with plungers
    and didn't know where else to go. It was the door that opened all the other doors........

    Yes, there's lots of BS, drivel, flat earthers, bullies and nay sayers but if you read enough and have an enquiring and discerning mind it's a valuable resource.
    And I've nearly always thought that CS was just that.

    Cheers

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  • WenV
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    Comparing the Mazzer Mini and Baratza Preciso

    Originally posted by Fresh_Coffee View Post

    This is purely rhetorical but how can anyone "agree" with James's assessement of the Preciso if they dont have one yet, and therefore how can they know anything about the after sales support of "Baratza" in the context of this grinder?

    I dont work for nor sell any brevile products and dont have an opinion on the grinder either way, but if the "mixed reviews" of the smart grinder are a result of people saying they needed to fit shims, and we now apparently hear round about that that was "then" (in terms of the early release of the model) and this is "now" where the shims problem has apparently been rectified, does this not mean that the "mixed reviews" are in the current situation rendered null and void or inapplicable or nonsence?...

    Hope that helps.
    Attilio
    very first CS site sponsor
    Like I said initially, I'm new to the coffee scene and I'm only looking for other people's experience of the Preciso or even the Smart Grinder before I make a purchase. There's no way for me to make comparisons except through my research on the Internet as I don't know anyone in my circle of friends or family that owns either grinder.

    As for the comment that one can't agree with James' assessment of the Preciso without direct experience of it, I find it a fundamentally flawed argument. Mainly due to the fact that my reading of other's direct experience of the Preciso is sumilarly to James'. Hence, I can agree on that.

    In regards to the Smart Grinder, I haven't read that Breville has fixed the problem of needing extra shims. Kindly point me to the link as I am interested to learn more.

    With all due respect, Attilo, if your intention is to educate new people like myself to understand coffee and coffee equipment better, your starting statement came across as critical and not helpful. Just my 2c...

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  • chokkidog
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    Originally posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    FWIW, some of the highest quality rubbish I have ever seen on the coffee 'net.

    I'll leave it to you guys to argue it out, but I'm firmly in the don't give a toss what the (often poorly executed) science says. I'll take what's in the cup combined with usability every day over boring volumes of waffle!
    Couldn't agree more! It was the cause of one of my longest groans, ever.

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  • Autti
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    Originally posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    FWIW, some of the highest quality rubbish I have ever seen on the coffee 'net.
    I completely agree with that. The fact that none (iirc) of the tastings were blind is just hilarious. They state their position at the start that the Robur is the "best" and then compare to everything else and really just confirm their initial opinion via no double blind procedure. It's confirmation bias to a T.

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  • TC
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    Originally posted by Autti View Post
    Yeah i've read the Titan grinder project before..
    FWIW, some of the highest quality rubbish I have ever seen on the coffee 'net.

    I'll leave it to you guys to argue it out, but I'm firmly in the don't give a toss what the (often poorly executed) science says. I'll take what's in the cup combined with usability every day over boring volumes of waffle!

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  • Yelta
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    Cant comment on the Baratza as I have never used one, however have been using a Mazzer Mini, home use, for a couple of years, sure it has idiosyncrasies, like other grinders once you've used it for a while you learn to work with them, I'm happy with mine and won't be changing it any time in the foreseeable future.
    Having said that, the Baratza sounds like a very capable grinder and at half the price of the Mazzer, had they been around when I bought the Mini I may well have bought one.

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  • Fresh_Coffee
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    Originally posted by Autti View Post
    ....Ha, thats hilarious. You complain that none of this is "scientific" so i dig up data, and now its irrelevant anyway. Moving the goal posts?

    ...... It reeks of bitterness that people are endorsing a grinder you don't sell.
    Wrong and wrong!

    a) I'd already said above that what is important is what's in the cup. I havent wavered. The written discussion or for that matter off hand comments on so called "grind consistency" in this context is frankly, silly, because they are both on the word of happy owners here pretty good grinders, and I've never said anything to the contrary.

    b) Really? Take a look at my posts in these threads here:
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/grinders/3...a-preciso.html and here:
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/grinders/3...der-400-a.html

    Both treated quite fairly I think.

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  • chokkidog
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    Some more particle size analysis, including mini-e, here: :-)

    Espresso Passione

    Easy, just use google!
    Last edited by chokkidog; 23 December 2012, 05:11 PM. Reason: punctuation, syntax

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  • Autti
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    Originally posted by chokkidog View Post
    Google 'Titan grinder project grind particle size analysis" for info on some other grinders if you're interested in this
    side of things. Has it's merit for the boffins amongst us but you can still pick a grinder by what it delivers in the cup via the quality of the pour,
    how consistent the results are and the repeatability and ease of the dose and tamp.

    Oh yeah and how good it looks or how shiny it is!! ;-D
    Yeah i've read the Titan grinder project before, but they don't have analysis on the Mini, i couldn't find a BSG either on the web.

    Originally posted by Fresh_Coffee View Post
    Very good of you to dig up a scientific analisis of "grind profiles" of the preciso. Per Se it trumps hands down the usual practice of commentators throwing a few grinds on their hand and marvelling at how consistent it looks. But it is still irrelevant as its what's in the cup that counts in someone's home, and in the context of the comparisons that people will make in these parts, its what's in the cup in a one on one grinder by grinder comparison that counts...and then it still wont count, if we are not comparing apples with apples, and it really isnt helpful to compare apparent grind consistency from a home use grinder to a small cafe design grinder because the design briefs from the manufacturers are not the same, and it is not their problem if a bunch of retail coffee heads want to buy small commercial grinders like the MM and play with them at home. If clients want to do that, they have to get what they get what they get including learning to deal with the doser and all that involves.

    Hope that helps.
    Ha, thats hilarious. You complain that none of this is "scientific" so i dig up data, and now its irrelevant anyway. Moving the goal posts?

    Now were not allowed to compare the grind consistency between the Preciso and a Mini because they have different design briefs?

    We are comparing apples to apples, we are comparing two grinders that do exactly the same thing, grind coffee, in a home environment. You have added absolutely nothing positive to the discussion at all, you have just waded in and told us that we are being "unscientific" and we should be comparing it the BSG. Then some rambling about how the Mazzer is for small commerical, and no points in the affirmative or negative, just the retort of apples to apples. It reeks of bitterness that people are endorsing a grinder you don't sell.

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  • Fresh_Coffee
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    [QUOTE=Autti;487127]Well i just experienced the after sales support, the aforementioned grinder that i was playing with that broke the plastic fine grind collar, we called 5Senses (dirty word here) and they said to come down, so we did with little grinder in tow, they replaced it right there and we went home with a nice new one .............If that isn't an endorsement of after sales support i don't know what is.
    For those interested in talking about the precisio and not derailing the thread with Breville Smart Grinder pushing, the guys at Uber have the grind profiles of all the Baratza's with the Precisio looking like this.........QUOTE]

    Well, if that is directed at me, I think you've misunderstood, and therefore in point form wrt your post:

    Not disputing whatever you have experienced and if it was good, that is what it should be and I am glad that's what you experienced. The reference was wrt people who "agree" or if you like, appear to "endorse" what others write about their experiences with the equipment, but who themselves dont actually have the equipment or experience with it to be able to do that (agree/endorse....).

    I dont know anything about 5 Senses being a dirty word here and made no such reference direct or INDIRECT. In fact the refrence made by someone else that I responded to, was for "Baratza" whatever that means.

    I dont understand what is meant by the reference to "derailing the thread" and refer you to read my post again and check what it was directed at. I hope you dont consider it to be "derailing", to point out that people who have no apparent experience with a piece of equipment, shouldnt be endorsing what other people say about it, nor "piggybacking" it over someone elses product that they also have no experience with.

    I thought it was made clear enough that I am not pushing the smart grinder (see 2 references to that in my previous post) and please refer to the previous point.

    Very good of you to dig up a scientific analisis of "grind profiles" of the preciso. Per Se it trumps hands down the usual practice of commentators throwing a few grinds on the palm of their hand and marvelling at how consistent it looks (have a look in ewe choob, even coffee equikment traders that ought to know better are doinit). But it is still irrelevant as its what's in the cup that counts in someone's home, and in the context of the comparisons that people will make in these parts, its what's in the cup in a one on one grinder by grinder comparison that counts...and then it still wont count, if we are not comparing apples with apples, and it really isnt helpful to compare apparent grind consistency from a home use grinder to a small cafe design grinder (the "mini") because the design briefs from the manufacturers are not the same, and it is not the manufacturer's problem if a bunch of home / retail end clients want to buy small commercial grinders like the MM and play with them at home. If clients want to do that, they have to accept that what they get is what they get is what they get including learning to deal with the doser and the clutched grind adjuster which is not designed for making fine changes and all that involves.


    Hope that helps.
    Last edited by Fresh_Coffee; 23 December 2012, 02:19 PM.

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