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  • Mazzer Vs Macap

    I'm looking for a grinder to sit on the kitchen bench next to my ECM, and have read dozens of threads, looked at reviews and even seen youtube comparisons.

    The problem is that noone seems to clearly favour one over the other (which means both machines are equally good or bad at the same things)...

    So,

    I'm after some feedback from people who use these machines in a commercial environment who can state the pros & cons of the machine they use daily.

    My target machine is a Mazzer mini with manual doser, or the Macap M4 / M5

    I'm not sure any electronic doser version would prove itself to be worth the added expense, but if someone has experience, please share that info.

    Lastly, $$$.

    Who / Where is the best place to purchase one (i'm halfway between sydney & the gong) ?

    If anyone has a valid reason for not purchasing either of these models, please provide your recommendation and why.

    TIA

  • #2
    G'day Joe,
    I haven't had any experience with a Mazzer, but I've onwed 2 Macaps, one being a doser M4 and an M7D. They're both good grinders, but for different reasons.
    I think that you hit the nail on the head when you mention that no one favours one over the other, they're both superbly manufactured grinders and will give you a lifetime of use if they're looked after. I think the decision between the two would come down to personal preference in relation to use and looks.
    When you say that you're after feedback from people who use these grinders in a commercial environment, do you mean those that use your target grinders (Mini or Macap M4/5), or other model grinders from these two manufacturers?
    As for recommendations where to buy, there's a few site sponsors in Sydney and one in Canberra who I'm sure would be able to take care of you. Make sure you try each grinder out, you might find the ergonomics of one suits you better over the other.
    All the best with your purchase and if you need any more help, please question away.
    Steve.

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    • #3
      No experience with the Macap's Joe, however bought a Mazzer Mini new a couple of years ago and am very happy with it.

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      • #4
        Very happy with my Macap M4 - clean, pretty quiet, reliable, looks good.
        I think with these two, you could almost make your decision on looks alone - neither will disappoint on quality ;-)
        Matt

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        • #5
          Originally posted by DesigningByCoffee View Post
          .... you could.... make your decision on looks alone - neither will disappoint on quality ;-)
          Matt
          Choose which one you like best for whatever reason, and buy it, as they have an equivalent standard of design, build and finish, with pros and cons in either. That said, make sure you are comparing equivalent models to eachother.

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          • #6
            I was in your shoes last year, deciding between a Mazzer Mini and a Macap M4. Heard nothing but good things about both of them, so in the end, the deciding factor was the type of drink that I normally consume--espresso based drinks.
            I like the idea of fine-tuning espresso shots with the worm-drive on the Macap and I don't have other brewing methods at home that require constant changing of grind fineness, so I went with the Macap. Vice versa if you plan to regularly change your grind different brewing methods, Mazzer Mini might be the one to go for.
            Other than the above reason, it really was just down to looks, and my girlfriend likes the looks of the Macap :P
            Unfortunately I'm not familiar with which site sponsors are in NSW. I bought mine from Chris at Talk Coffee and had it delivered all the way to Perth

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            • #7
              Thanks for the replies guys,

              Have any of you had any issues with your grinders?

              Are there any particular things about them which you find annoying or have modified to better suit your particular use?

              I would also consider a Mazzer major or Super Jolly as well as an M7 I could realistically afford $1200 max, but for that kind of money it'd want to be perfect and not require any modifications to help 'improve' the performance.

              My desired machine will have a doser, preferably manual (no extra electronics to go wrong) no hideous tamper on the front and stepless grind. Both Macap & mazzer could fit this requirement.

              Does anyone have anything good to say about the electronic dosers on the mazzer ??

              And lastly, why are the conical burr grinders so stupidly expensive? (are they worth the price premium?)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by JoeB View Post
                Thanks for the replies guys,

                Have any of you had any issues with your grinders?
                Yes, drinking way more coffees now, my week day intake has doubled and weekend intake has tripled

                Originally posted by JoeB View Post
                Are there any particular things about them which you find annoying or have modified to better suit your particular use?
                Not a thing

                Originally posted by JoeB View Post
                Does anyone have anything good to say about the electronic dosers on the mazzer ??
                I find it very accurate and reliable

                Originally posted by JoeB View Post
                And lastly, why are the conical burr grinders so stupidly expensive? (are they worth the price premium?)
                Dunno but suspect it's to do with the quality components, design and workmanship which are built to last unlike just about everything else built on the cheap these days.
                I personally think they are worth the price premium as you buy once and are set for years.
                All you need to do is lift one up and soon realize that they are not a cheap piece of equipment.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JoeB View Post
                  ......And lastly, why are the conical burr grinders so stupidly expensive? (are they worth the price premium?).....
                  They are not home use grinders, and are built to withstand the rigours of working in large volume cafe business, and keep going day in and day out with little fuss. So yes, they are worth the price premium.....if that is your intended use.

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                  • #10
                    I am often asked to choose between Mazzer and Macap as well.

                    For M4 v Mazzer mini-manual, you really can choose whichever you like. My answer is usually along the lines of whichever one I tripped over in the warehouse first!

                    At M4D v Mini-electronic level, it's M4D all the way for me. The M4D works beautifully and is 2x as quick as a Mini-E. We should really be comparing the M4D against the Super Jolly-E, but that's a pricier grinder and my gut tells me that the M4D still wins on speed (just) - so for me, M4D all the way.

                    Lots of CS'ers own the M4D. They don't come up for sale very often at all with only a handful ever listed here. For me, that says that those who have them generally love them.

                    Hope that helps you Joe.

                    Chris

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                    • #11
                      Hi, TC's reply and many of the others say the same thing, there is no wrong choice there. I own the M4D after having basically the same conversation with C @TC. I was swaying towards the MMe but when with the Macap, no regrets at all, would by again in a heart beat. The logical upgrade for me would be to a super sized conical and while I am a CS I still DO NOT want a grinder to be the first thing you notice when you step into our kitchen.

                      Steve

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JoeB View Post
                        Thanks for the replies guys,

                        Have any of you had any issues with your grinders?
                        No, they've both been fantastic.

                        Are there any particular things about them which you find annoying or have modified to better suit your particular use?
                        I did have a play with my M4 doser to try and make it sweep a bit cleaner, but in all reality it was very good in standard configuration. I've made a shorter hopper for my M7D so it fits under the kitchen cabinets, no other functionality mods done.

                        And lastly, why are the conical burr grinders so stupidly expensive? (are they worth the price premium?)
                        From my basic understanding a planar burr grinder (M4/mini,K3, etc) rely on speed to 'eject' the beans in a sideways fashion as they grind, with a horizontal grind path. Imagine a salad spinner where the lettuce is in the middle of the bowl, pull the cord and the water is 'ejected' off the lettuce sideways.
                        A conical burr has a more vertical grind path, so the burrs don't need to spin as fast to 'eject' the beans, they fall down. To get this low speed you need a reduction gear box, which is big and heavy, and thus expensive.

                        I hope I haven't confused you with my analogy. Whichever way you go, you'll be happy.
                        Steve

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                        • #13
                          My shortlist would also have the Compak K3 WBC on it. Try all 3 in store next time you're down!

                          charlie

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                          • #14
                            Thanks everyone for your feedback. It's not an easy choice, as the machines I'm looking at are both great. I've decided to go with the M4 in chrome.

                            Thanks to Chris @ TalkCoffee also for the awesome price. Can't wait to see it on my bench getting a workout!

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                            • #15
                              Finally, I'm home. Of course I was impatient and needed a shot of espresso. But the first task was to unpack the Grinder - and set it up. Everything with the Macap is so simple & straightforward. Dialling in only took 3 shots, which surprised me a bit.

                              What I found to be a significant difference, was the result in the cup. I really wasn't expecting such a huge difference to the 0480. It's like Chalk & Cheese. The grind is consistent, no clumping, no chunks of chaff, perfect mouse tails in the pour and the crema effervescing in the glass. it's a beautiful dark toffee-caramel in colour and there is much more of it compared to the extraction from the 0480.

                              I'm still finessing the dose and grind setting, but it's very encouraging to see such a noticeable difference in the cup.

                              I expected that there would be a difference, but not such a huge difference as I witnessed. Very impressed.

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