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  • Sunbeam EM0480 Grinding Questions

    Hi there,

    Im newbie in term of coffee and recently I have purchased my own espresso machine after getting some basic skills in coffee making. However there is a problem which I can't solve till now. So I hope you guys out there can provide me with some solutions.

    I noticed that I have to keep changing the settings on my Sunbeam EM0480 constantly every time I use different varieties of beans or when the beans sit in there for a certain time.

    For example, the coffee shop that I bought the beans from recommends me to use Setting 3 to grind all their beans. But I found out that it is too fine and the machine struggling to pump the espresso out. I thought I might use too much but that's not the case. I followed the instruction that sunbeam teaches me. Just use enough till you see the metal bit of the tamper. And I only apply approx 10 kg force on it which got taught by my barista trainer. However it is not the case when I use Setting 5.

    When the beans sit in there for several days (less than a week), sometimes I have to use Setting 4 or 6 to get the espresso that I wanted. Is it something to do with the freshness of the coffee beans?

    This is frustrating and confusing at the same time. I try to googled these issues but nothing really helps.

    Hope to hear from you guys soon..!!!

  • #2
    Some hints...

    The coffee place has no idea of your setup & should not tell people to always use 3. Beans vary by batch, by type, by location, by roast and by age. It is common even with the best of grinders to need to alter the setting for a perfect grind, even for the same beans used a week or so apart.

    You can improve a particular pour by changing your tamp pressure, or the dose, or both, but of course you don't know how the pour is going to work until you do it so that only helps if you're doing more than one coffee or prepared to scrap the poor pour ( ) and do it again.

    On top of all that the EM0480 is not the best of grinders on the market - most here would think it is the absolute minimum level grinder to use. You can find all kinds of issues with it - apparently Sunbeam has been shipping them out with a range of shims to make the bottom burrs get to the right place to make a decent grind - smacks of poor Quality checking and a later adjustment - maybe of the returns they are getting from people who have wound down their grinds to No.1 and still not got decent espresso grinds.

    CoffeeSnobs to the rescue... I have a thread about my initial woes when I got my grinder so you might want to look at that, http://coffeesnobs.com.au/brewing-eq...w-machine.html but far better than my basic level of exploration is the thread by Ray_C, http://coffeesnobs.com.au/grinders/2...lems-good.html Reading Ray's guide it seems the EM0480 can be an excellent grinder, but you need to perform some of the things Sunbeam SHOULD have done before selling them.

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    • #3
      Thanks Journeyman...

      I guess there is no specific set of instruction that I can follow other than trial & error....

      Thanks for your helpful comment anyway... Appreciates it...

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      • #4
        I'll let you know how my mods based on Ray's thread go - I have an EM0480 and an EM0450 so I can try them out and not be coffee-less as I do so.

        I've also got a new seal to put in the EM6910 and I'm going to check the Group Head collar while I've got my 6910 on the table to work on - it's leaking a bit so I figure time to pull it apart as per The Collar Replacement Guide from Wan - if you have an EM6910 DL a copy from https://www.dropbox.com/s/gqikryva41...nt%20Guide.pdf while it is still available. NoSmoking very kindly dropboxed it in the thread http://coffeesnobs.com.au/brewing-eq...how-guide.html

        Also a search of CS with the terms EM6910 collar brings up a handy list.

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        • #5
          hi bigwalker,

          if you like me have problem with the grind on the EM0480, the shimps fixed that .... now it behaves more like a stepless and the ground is as fine as I want it to be ....

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          • #6
            If you want it to grind right at a setting of 10 to 12 for espresso by the em0480 handbook, you`ll need to be introduced to the Sunbeam shims found on e-bay, (.25mm).... just add shims one at a time and make a cuppa until you get a pour right at a setting of 12. Beans change freshness, different beans, whatever, you may have to change a notch either way, once you are at 10 to 12. With the em0480, you can tell after a while when it`s grinding right by how much is coming out.

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            • #7
              It seems that sunbeam have QC issues with the chinese made machines. The first 0480 I bought over 6 years ago has been absolutely flawless in its operation. Like all grinders it needs routine cleaning of the burrs and chute etc, which is very simple. However the grinders purchased for my family approx 12 months ago suffer from the shim problem. Once the shims are set correctly, the grinder is absolutely fantastic value for money.
              All it takes is a little adjustment for someone with basic mechanical skills, and your grind will be more than satisfactory for pulling really good shots.

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              • #8
                JoelB i believe you are absolutely right. "Once the shims are set correctly, the grinder is absolutely fantastic value for money" and "Like all grinders it needs routine cleaning of the burrs and chute etc"
                This is my stand, if I pay up to $200 for a grinder that says it will grind for espresso at a setting of 10 to 12, then I shouldn`t have to research why it doesn`t, buy shims, pull it apart with spanner and multigrips......and install shims one at a time until I overdose myself making and drinking the coffee until its right.
                My plan is to plug and play Get that bad boy out of the box, plug it in, get them beans in there, a notch or so either way and we`re in business. Not sitting bolt upright wide awake for 2 nights because I drank gushers for an afternoon......

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                • #9
                  Thanks for all the advices...

                  After these few days, I found the settings that suit me better. I mean in term of my way of tempering and etc... I found out setting 5 is the best regardless the freshness or bean type...

                  Hopefully it works for a long time... I hate changes hahaha...

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                  • #10
                    @yehyoubet - LMAO - you know you don't have to drink the entire coffee... right? And... multigrips? I just used a small spanner (10mm I think) and a small screwdriver to stop the shaft turning. But you're right, the machine should work as promised out of the box. The fact that Ray_C had to mod his to get it to perform means the machine CAN be made excellent, so why didn't Sunbeam do it?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by yehyoubet View Post
                      If you want it to grind right at a setting of 10 to 12 for espresso by the em0480 handbook, you`ll need to be introduced to the Sunbeam shims found on e-bay, (.25mm).... just add shims one at a time and make a cuppa until you get a pour right at a setting of 12. Beans change freshness, different beans, whatever, you may have to change a notch either way, once you are at 10 to 12. With the em0480, you can tell after a while when it`s grinding right by how much is coming out.
                      why does the number on the setting matter?

                      isn't the most important thing consistency?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Hildy View Post
                        why does the number on the setting matter?

                        isn't the most important thing consistency?
                        the number is unimportant, it is just a reference for the user to get the grind he needs .... with my mod EM0480, at around 7, I get powder .... you only have to do the mod once and be done with it, of course that does not stop me from fiddling with it once in a while ....

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