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  • #16
    Originally posted by mankji View Post
    What is the range of this grinder and how many 'steps' are there in the espresso range?
    Many thanks,
    m
    Welcome "mankji"...

    Which grinder(s) are you comparing the Macap M2M with mate? Might help in providing you with a more appropriate answer...

    Mal.

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    • #17
      Hi,

      I have a Baratza Maestro Plus which has 40 settings of which only one, the finest, can be used for espresso. I ask partly because...

      Steve82 says
      "With the grinder off, set it to its finest setting, then move 3 or 4 clicks coarser for espresso".

      Barry O'Speedwagon says
      "Around half way between 5 and 6, but depends on beans/roast depth. Darker beans more like 5.75."


      This is a little confusing to one who hasn't bought the machine yet. I understand that a Rancilio Rocky goes from Turkish to gravel. If I hear that the finest setting is too fine for espresso even for the stalest beans and its coarsest setting is suitable for French press I would fell like I have some idea of what it's range is. Do I have to keep my Maestro Plus for drip coffee?
      M

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      • #18
        In my experience, the M2M is best as an espresso grinder. I don't make filter coffee, but I do frequently use an Aeropress. I have used the M2M for my aeropress, and it is ok, but the product of my Porlex hand grinder is superior for Aeropress (particularly if I go for a coarser grind, longer brew). I suspect this is due to the 'fines' which sneak their way through when grinding coarser on the M2M.

        The size of the steps are quite small, but you do sometimes need to make a small adjustment to dose to fine tune your extraction 'between steps'. This is no big deal. It's a great espresso grinder with a small footprint.

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        • #19
          Thanks very much for that. Perhaps I will replace the Baratza with a Porlex so that I can grind my morning coffee without waking up the kids. (To clarify and in keeping with the name of this site, morning coffee is made with the Hario Woodneck).

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          • #20
            I have also just replaced my em0480 with a Macap M2M and have been having a little play with it this morning.

            It is a robust and heavy machine but I am finding the steps between the grind settings is a little too large. Maybe the burrs need to settle/bed in????

            I have found that on one setting (through the portafilter on the sylvia) I get 40mls in 30secs and just one click finer I only get 10mls in 30secs. One a little quick and one way too slow. Same volume beans and similar tamp pressure.

            Hoping the grind has better adjustability once it has done a few grinds!!!!

            At the moment the 'steps' between grinds seem too big. Other than that the machine is a wonder, but only if i can get the grind settings rights.

            Anyone with thoughts on this.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by cookster View Post
              I have also just replaced my em0480 with a Macap M2M and have been having a little play with it this morning.

              It is a robust and heavy machine but I am finding the steps between the grind settings is a little too large. Maybe the burrs need to settle/bed in????

              I have found that on one setting (through the portafilter on the sylvia) I get 40mls in 30secs and just one click finer I only get 10mls in 30secs. One a little quick and one way too slow. Same volume beans and similar tamp pressure.

              Hoping the grind has better adjustability once it has done a few grinds!!!!

              At the moment the 'steps' between grinds seem too big. Other than that the machine is a wonder, but only if i can get the grind settings rights.

              Anyone with thoughts on this.
              Quite simply, accurately weigh your dose and keep it fixed. If you are still seeing the same extremes in extraction I would question bean freshness.

              From memory only, when I had that grinder I only needed to adjust dose by 0.5 to 1g for " in between grind setting steps " to REALLY fine tune a shot.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Steve82 View Post
                Quite simply, accurately weigh your dose and keep it fixed. If you are still seeing the same extremes in extraction I would question bean freshness.

                From memory only, when I had that grinder I only needed to adjust dose by 0.5 to 1g for " in between grind setting steps " to REALLY fine tune a shot.

                thanks for the comments, mine is a doserless machine so less easy to measure too precisely the amount. Beans are fresh from Andy so no problem there. Its a new machine so I probably need to have a bit more of a play and improve my technique, but i don't want to be going to the extreme of measuring out every single dose on electronic scales as the whole point of the doserless is to dose straight into the portafilter.

                Will let you know how i get on.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by cookster View Post
                  thanks for the comments, mine is a doserless machine so less easy to measure too precisely the amount. Beans are fresh from Andy so no problem there. Its a new machine so I probably need to have a bit more of a play and improve my technique, but i don't want to be going to the extreme of measuring out every single dose on electronic scales as the whole point of the doserless is to dose straight into the portafilter.

                  Will let you know how i get on.
                  I will start off by saying I am not trying to be a smart ass or mean.

                  Define extreme? I think its pretty extreme to spend heaps of money on equipment and buying excellent quality fresh beans only to stuff it up by not removing a variable that can be easily controlled.

                  Scales are $10 on ebay, grind into a paper cup while still eyeballing the amount and check the weight then dose. The added benefit is you will also get a much better distribution ensuring a great extraction.

                  But by all means continue to guess the amount of coffee you are using and chase your tail.

                  It is not the grinders fault and definitely is not Andys beans, this leaves one thing...

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                  • #24
                    thanks, like I said...

                    "Its a new machine so I probably need to have a bit more of a play and improve my technique"

                    I have had a bit more of a play with this and am getting a lot closer to where I want to be with it. I have found that on the (slightly more coarser grind setting) that with a little more tamp pressure that I am now getting 25-30mls in 25 secs and it presents with a nice looking crema and more importantly a nice smooth and rich flavour.

                    It appears to be a very robust machine and I have the new 'gloss white' version and was told that mine was the first of this special order in Australia. It looks very nice and here is a pic of the one I have (sales pic).

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                    • #25
                      How does M2M cope with single dosing? looking to upgrade as well, thanks.

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                      • #26
                        Had look at this grinder at bonissimo, looks very solid. Was on sale too $399.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by symphonie View Post
                          How does M2M cope with single dosing? looking to upgrade as well, thanks.
                          It grinds a lot more consistently with bean in the hopper.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by symphonie View Post
                            How does M2M cope with single dosing? looking to upgrade as well, thanks.
                            Why use a grinder in a way it was not designed to be used? It's like asking does a car go better with all windows, the bonnet and the boot open!

                            Most real grinders have a slide gate on the hopper so that you can remove hopper and beans and then store the beans however you do that.

                            Grinders will always deliver the best performance when used as designed. We have the internerd to blame for suggestions which then become bible. The overwhelming majority of palates may taste placebo effect but in reality probably can't taste a thing...

                            If you want grind per dose, I'd suggest you look at the HG-one, Versalab or Lido E. All of these were designed with grind per dose in mind.

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                            • #29
                              Guys how do the M2M models/versions work?
                              I see on eBay they mention 2017 or 2018 model, but no other stores do (CS sponsors just mention “new model” if it’s the newest).
                              Im just curious what the differences are between the “new” model, compared to older ones if there are any. And how to know which one I’m getting.

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                              • #30
                                Hi pokerstar,

                                You will find that some 2018 versions are the same as the 2017 models.

                                However there is an update model that started to arrive about May this year that has a hands free filter holder. That is how you will know its the new model.

                                We have the new model with the hands free filter holder in stock.

                                https://www.casaespresso.com.au/macap-m2m.html

                                Cheers

                                Antony
                                www.casaespresso.com.au

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