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  • #16
    Hi Matt....excellent post, but I think it should probably be pointed out that when you say the robur is more forgiving than you previous grinder a Macap, that they are not the same kind of grinder...I gather the macap was probably a much small one with planar grinding plates (and perhaps you mentioned that in a previous post and I didn't see that). So in terms of comparing *brands* with *similar* models, it would be more about comparing a robur with a macap M7K, and then the "forgiveness factor" may well be quite different.

    Anyway, apart from that the other points you annunciated are well worth noting by anyone considering such a grinder for home use.

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    • #17
      Point taken TOK
      The Macap was an M4 planar with much smaller burrs, which was a lovely grinder. However it didn't like over-extraction much - the Robur seems to handle slow drippy pours with much great elegance!
      Thanks for the clarification
      Matt

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      • #18
        Love those drippy pours!!

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Bosco_Lever View Post
          Another grinder to consider would be the Elektra Nino. Grind retention on these is a lot less than the Robur. Not sure who the importer is. I know of a couple of units that were self imported when the Australian dollar was higher. They are a very well built grinder, not seen very often here.
          We use an Elektra Nino/Elektra 60s 2 group compact combination in the workshop - the Nino has very low grounds retention as the outlet chute has no horizontal section - it angles straight down from the burr chamber. We've also modded it by adding a manual pushbutton that works as the equivalent of the manual button on a Mazzer Electronic grinder. We've brought in a few Ninos, but they are a fairly pricey grinder so aren't easy to sell, plus they have a few weak points that really need redesigning for heavy cafe use. The main one is the foam/plastic cover over the microswitch used to trigger the grind cycle - it peels away fairly quickly, then the space behind it fills up with grounds, which affects the proper operation of the switch. It could probably be fixed by retrofitting a different design of microswitch that doesn't need the original foam/plastic cover.

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          • #20
            Hey fine grind.

            I've owned a k30 for about 6 months now. I was tossing up between a kony and the k30 at the time, found a good deal for a second hand k30 and went with it. I am very happy with it so far.

            I really like the easy adjustability of dose and grind. Also cleaning out the burrs if very easy. I just ordered some new burrs and there about 160 bucks.

            In terms of ground retention I find it fairly low at around 5 grams give our take a few.

            Keep in mind though I have not used a large conical but I would have no hesitation recommending it.

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            • #21
              Speaking of 65mm planar grinders, does anyone have an opinion on the eureka zenith 65E?

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              • #22
                Disclaimer: I don't have any personal experience of the model.

                However, in general eureka is a serious grinder manufacturer and the models I do have experience with are well built and reliable.

                After that...its just another entry level (for cafe use) electronic grinder as in....all these pieces of equipment are just tools in the hands of the artiste for he or she to *interpret* as they will....!

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                • #23
                  ...
                  Originally posted by DesigningByCoffee View Post
                  However it didn't like over-extraction much - the Robur seems to handle slow drippy pours with much great elegance!
                  The same applies to the Kony-e, and probably most grinders at this end of the spectrum. With the Kony, the majority of the pours are amazing even when they're not perfect.

                  As for wastage, there it is popping up again. I meam come on peoples, its a mute point at this end of the game, really. As far as I'm concerned, its about the pursuit of god shots and if that means wasting 10, 20 or even 30g of coffee between shots, its fine by me, especially considering the cost of these grinders. Of course the exceptions are the geisha/microlot coffees

                  Javabeen

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by javabeen View Post
                    ...
                    The same applies to the Kony-e, and probably most grinders at this end of the spectrum. With the Kony, the majority of the pours are amazing even when they're not perfect.

                    As for wastage, there it is popping up again. I meam come on peoples, its a mute point at this end of the game, really. As far as I'm concerned, its about the pursuit of god shots and if that means wasting 10, 20 or even 30g of coffee between shots, its fine by me, especially considering the cost of these grinders. Of course the exceptions are the geisha/microlot coffees

                    Javabeen
                    Agreed Java!! :-D

                    Glass half empty = wastage

                    Glass half full = purge

                    My glass is half full!!

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                    • #25
                      I reckon your glass is twice the size it needs to be! :P

                      Sorry couldn't resist. Interesting info here.

                      Cheers

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                      • #26
                        Gloopy, syrupy, luscious pours are the norm around here too...

                        Been years since I've been guilty of pouring a substandard shot and that's pretty well all down to the large-ish conical sitting on the bench. And a bit of experience of course...

                        Mal.

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                        • #27
                          Plus One to the Conicals

                          Originally posted by Dimal View Post
                          Gloopy, syrupy, luscious pours are the norm around here too...

                          Been years since I've been guilty of pouring a substandard shot and that's pretty well all down to the large-ish conical sitting on the bench. And a bit of experience of course...

                          Mal.

                          Thanks to Mal's words of wisdom, and the experienced advice from Chris at Talk_Coffee who ranks it somewhere between a Kony and a Robur, I upgraded to a Wega 6.8 (re-badged Compak K10). I couldn't be happier, and found that it wastes a lot less coffee than what it replaced on my bench, being a Mazzer Major, simply because of the consistency of the shots and the ease of dial-in when changing beans. I also prefer the doser handle and mechanism on the Wega (or Compak) compared to the Mazzer as it has (IMHO) a more natural overhand movement which is real nice.

                          Plus one to the world of ""Gloopy, syrupy, luscious pours" and thanks once again to Mal and Chris.

                          Cheers

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                          • #28
                            I know the discussion here isn't necessarily including the K10 (fresh), but after having it on my bench for a couple of weeks I must say it is absolutely amazing!!! And for my own personal knowledge I have been cleaning after each mornings use, so that the next shot I pull the following morning I can record weights in and out. So for anyone that is actually concerned about retained grinds, I can say that the K10 holds onto about 2.5 grams........ However, that is with the static screen removed!!! If the screen is left in I am almost certain it would retain closer to 5 grams.

                            So as far as it goes, I think doing a 5 gram grind, emptying and throwing away, before grinding my first mornings dose more than assures the purging of everything retained. And for the "gloopy, syrupy, luscious pours" it guarantees, it is a very small price to pay

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by stilloutthere View Post
                              I know the discussion here isn't necessarily including the K10 (fresh), but after having it on my bench for a couple of weeks I must say it is absolutely amazing!!! And for my own personal knowledge I have been cleaning after each mornings use, so that the next shot I pull the following morning I can record weights in and out. So for anyone that is actually concerned about retained grinds, I can say that the K10 holds onto about 2.5 grams........ However, that is with the static screen removed!!! If the screen is left in I am almost certain it would retain closer to 5 grams.

                              So as far as it goes, I think doing a 5 gram grind, emptying and throwing away, before grinding my first mornings dose more than assures the purging of everything retained. And for the "gloopy, syrupy, luscious pours" it guarantees, it is a very small price to pay


                              I am also getting very low grind retention with my Wega 6.8 (re-badged K10). In fact it is less than I was getting with my Mazzer Major, which surprised me.

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                              • #30
                                A question to Chokkidog and Designingbycoffee.I assume the Robur has a hopper gate and that you return what is left in the hopper to an airtight container after you have finished making your coffee. But what do you do with the unground beans left in the throat of the Robur when you have finished with the machine?

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