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I also own a Pharos hand grinder. I don't know if anyone can answer this question, but would the Robur be an improvement in shot quality over the Pharos? Because (in my experience) my Pharos certainly doesn't have an exceptionally large amount of time before blonding occurs. From what I have been reading, it sounds like the Robur has more time before blonding than the rest of the grinders. But anyway, besides blonding I am hoping that the Robur is going to produce even more of a quality grind than the Pharos. Otherwise I would be thinking twice about purchasing it.
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I don't know anything about the pharos grinder however, if memory serves correct weren't posters in this and other forums keenly touting it as having the "quality" (there we go again) of a large conical (presumably electric cafe type) grinder without the price tag? If that is true, then the only thing any electric grinder of high "quality" is going to give you over your pharos is speed and convenience in use.
That said (written), I don't think "blonding" has anything to do with the grinder if it is a good one. More to do with the coffee beans in use, how they were roasted, how long ago, your overall coffee making technique, the set up of your coffee machine, etc.
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Hi FineGrind,
Have you read the CS or HB (121 page) thread on the Pharos?
Have you ever been able to choke a shot using the Pharos?
As far as beans/grinds in the throat below the hopper and in the grind path? Use it or lose it. No probs.
I guess my response to your line of thought and question can be summarised along these lines:
* If you can afford a Robur-e, then a relatively small amount of purged coffee should not be an issue, even less so if you are roasting your own.
* The Robur will not produce shots 10 x better than your Pharos, all by itself.
* If you are looking for coffee nirvana then machinery will help, but is not an answer unto itself, there are just too many
other dynamics.
* the perfect grinder has not yet been invented but if you want 'industry best standard' then a Robur will fill the bill.
* I don't think you have mentioned what machine your grinder is being paired with, or if there is an ulterior motive for wanting
a commercial spec grinder. You can avoid disappointment (with a commercial), by appropriate pairing.
* Don't discount the quality of the second tier commercial/ semi-commercial grinders in the Mazzer/ Macap range.
Remember, grinders such as the Robur are specced and built to work long, high volume hours and are priced accordingly.
Similar quality coffee can be achieved with a high spec home grinder.
* Compare good planars with conicals with the same coffee that you like, at the same time, in the same machine, to determine what you like.
* If you buy a Robur-e and can live with/ignore retention, you will at the door of coffee nirvana.
* before you buy a Robur make sure your Pharos is operating properly, as TOK says...... you might already be there.
Cheers.
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So I have decided to look at buying the K30 Vario but need to know if there is a place in Australia who can service and repair them. I am just wondering if anybody can help me. I don't want to buy an expensive grinder that cannot be repaired if it breaks.
Thanks.
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Still not sure of your logic.... but who am I to say?......Why spend so much on a grinder that is essentially specced the same
as some top quality lower priced units?
And beware company reps. The people I know who run K30's purge 30 gms.
It's also unlikely that a grinder of this quality will 'breakdown' inside warranty.
After warranty all you need is mail order access to parts and some know how or a decent tech.
Telling people where you live might help with locating a dealer/service centre.
Have you googled 'Mahlkonig K30 Australia'?
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I'd also say how happy I am with the HG-one, no retention, I often change beans several times a day, just tip them in the top and away you go.
Mazzer Robur burrs, about 30 seconds to grind a 20gm dose, no heating of the burrs/coffee. Fits really well into my home coffee routines.
Peter
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d you a mozza ?
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