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  • Dimal
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    I like it actually...

    Could probably do with a little in the way of aesthetic refinement where the motor and control is concerned but certainly appreciate the bespoke workmanship...

    Mal.

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  • chokkidog
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    A translation for this one page, just wait for it to load.

    www.kaffee-netz.de/threads/sammelbestellung-fuer-die-cbcrema-muehle.61780/page-17#post-987732 - Translator

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  • blend52
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    Originally posted by noddyc43 View Post
    .... if you do go down the pathway of a diy motorized HGone. The key is to still maintain its elegance with a motor attached to it.
    Have you seen the German built grinder using Robur burrs ..? ..not exactly "elegant" !
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  • mgrobins
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    I have some ideas . If I'm happy using it as a hand grinder then anything more is a bonus . Just need to decide if that's the case!

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  • noddyc43
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    Mgrobins will be interested if you do go down the pathway of a diy motorized HGone. The key is to still maintain its elegance with a motor attached to it.

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  • mgrobins
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    I'm Concerned that I may just be trying to convince myself of that Steve :P.

    Once I got past the reviews citing it as some sort of orgasmic, spiritual experience it became clear that it is a very elegantly designed product. I've spoken with another fellow and already have some thought on how to motorize it in a reversible yet neat manner. Hand grinding was the single issue I have with it . Versalab also sound great but I can't budget the $2.2k+.

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  • Steve82
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    Really sounds like you need a HG-one

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  • mgrobins
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    Yeah I'm fairly confident the commercials would be better grinders than the home varieties. I agree with Tok in that I'm not after all of the 'features' outside of those that help me standardise my coffee making.

    Why do I want that? so I can learn more about what different coffee's taste like and even different ways shots can be pulled for different flavour.

    Don't be so quick dish crap at me for raising "The grind retention" issue either. Stale coffee does not taste like fresh coffee.
    Purging my grinder of a few grams a time, and completely cleaning it has resulted in better coffee Vs not dumping the retained grinds.

    You think I'm being silly about it or unreasonably obsessive? Coffee is only going up in price so I'd like to keep my wastage down. Doesn't seem like much to dump a few grams each day? My Breville is working at about 15% a shot (working on 1/day). That's ~$65 a year for me. If I want to enjoy higher profile blends, a cup at night, or single origins then the cost goes up a lot more.

    If part of the cost is the extra $ a grinder may cost me, then 'mess' etc is simply about opportunity cost. If I'm cleaning up coffee I'm not using that time more effectively elsewhere. For those who find it cathartic or somehow a pilgrimage into the authentic coffee experience.... good for you and keep making mess! :P I have other ways I escape the world.

    Good food for thought too Denwol . A friend has an M4D and it's a lovely grinder. Didn't seem that messy and can be set quite accurately I thought??
    Last edited by mgrobins; 5 July 2014, 11:09 PM.

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  • blend52
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    Just as a comparison , i took a half hour to strip and clean thoroughly my K3 collecting and weighing every grind i could find.
    Result..and this id from a grinder that has not been cleaned for near 2 months of daily use... was total 4.2 gms.
    Most of that was "loose grinds in the discharge port and hanging about in the sweepers, and one bean jammed in the center of the lower burr.
    There was probably less than 1 gram stuck to the "non working areas of the grind chamber.
    This gives me no concern as i have the common habit of purging the grinder with 4+ gms each morning before the first brew, and as those "stuck" grinds dont come into contact with the grinds in process, i am pretty confident that my shots are fresh grinds from the start.
    With a good sensible operating procedure , retention is a non issue.

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  • TOK
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    Ah yeah....the grind retention thing again.

    Grind retention is a figment of the imagination. If it bothers you, there is a problem. If it doesnt, there is no problem.

    If it wasn't for endless discussions on the www, no one would be bothered.

    It cant be any simpler than that.

    That leaves you with "mess", and just like the above, it is very much an individual thing. Some can handle (manage) it, and others cant.

    The thing about "cafe series" type grinders as mentioned (compak / macap / mazzer) is they are really simple beasts with few if any bells and whistles, that just do their work and never talk back at you (figuratively speaking).

    Others have listened to the demands of their clients and have started giving them bells and whistles that the clients say they want....and that is where the problems lie, giving in to the demands of people that are becoming more and more difficult to please....and who apparently cant handle or are not satisfied with and want to find fault with, simple stuff that just works.

    So you end up with a bunch of products offering points of difference for people to obsess over. Do they really grind or deliver coffee any better one from the other when used properly, or is it just a difference of bells and whistles for marketing purposes and for people to sell their products?

    It should be the stuff of endless BLIND CUPPINGS to show people that what they think is not always what they taste

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  • denwol
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    I was in the same situation about a month ago.
    I first looked at the Vario and yes, there are so many good reviews, but also many 'small' issues that are looked after with warranty.
    The Forte is in the same boat.
    When I did my research on this site, one of the site sponsors is very strongly against the Vario and at first, i didnt understand what his issues are with them but after thought, you are spending $1000 and you want to make sure that all is going to be good for a number of year, a lot more than the three year warranty period.
    The Compak, Macap and Mazzer's all have their issues, but the issues are not in build quality where a small part needs replacing, or alignment of parts, or differences in grind and dosing. They are issues with grind retention and mess, things easily fixed.
    This is why I went the more conventional grinder route, a Compak k8. The taste difference over the Breville is amazing. A bit of practice and technique has given me results I can not argue with, with piece of mind that the thing will keep going for many many years. The k8 may not meet your requirements in terms of auto dosing, but a Macap m4d would be a good option i would think.
    Last edited by denwol; 4 July 2014, 02:40 PM.

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  • mgrobins
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    That history is one reason I'd look at the Forte rather than the vario.

    I'm in no rush so I shall keep looking and working out what I can make work best for me .

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  • blend52
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    Originally posted by mgrobins View Post
    Do you mean need for warranty due to poor quality or issues with the distributor? Baratza appears to have quite a good rep for after sales support in the US.
    Over the past years there have been many reports of breakages of minor parts on the Vario and warranty replacements, however, the current version ..the Mk II ?.. has had many improvements to address those breakages and should not suffer the same issues.
    I dont know if there is sufficient history on the latest version to prove its reliability, but from the reviews it is a substantially changed m/c ..apparently !

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  • Lukemc
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    Originally posted by mgrobins View Post
    Do you mean need for warranty due to poor quality or issues with the distributor? Baratza appears to have quite a good rep for after sales support in the US.
    Couldn't comment, I know I asked two retailers who deal in high end mahlkonig grinders about them and they said they wouldn't touch the vario due to "warranty" issues, I didn't delve deeper

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  • mgrobins
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    Do you mean need for warranty due to poor quality or issues with the distributor? Baratza appears to have quite a good rep for after sales support in the US.

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