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    tempest you mentioned in the Macap M5 thread that you realised it was a further step up from the Sunbeam > Iberital > Rocky; I have the M5 and one of the reasons I bought is is so that Ill never need to buy another grinder.

    $$ are a bit more though but in the long run may be worth it.

  • #2
    Re: Sunbeam EM0480, Review


    Hey Thundergod,

    I had nearly settled on the Macap MC4 as I wanted a device that is doserless, and the M5 didnt really fit the bill for me as it has a doser, and I dont need/want a doser unit.

    Then I read up on the redesigned Compak T3 and it seems to be the best of the lot - comparable to the highly lauded Mazzer Micro, but lots cheaper and none of the attendant issues (mainly messy delivery system) with the other doserless products like Iberital Express or Rancilio Rocky.

    So I had my heart set on the Compak T3, but now I find that its only available in champagne colour in Australia. Thats deal breaker, coz my kitchen has a stainless steel or silver theme only. :-/

    Maybe its time to have another look at the Macap range. :P



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    • #3
      Re: Sunbeam EM0480, Review

      Just a thought Lawrence...Many coffee companies get their grinder bodies powdercoated- which the Compak already is..I wonder is a CSer can shed some light on whether its economically possible?

      From my point of view, having had the opportunity to have a variety of grinders, I find I have the best consistency freedosing with a doser grinder and every time I try a doserless, I end up with a doser again. The only compromise is a regular brush out. I do however keep a Rocky (doserless) for plungers, cupping and variety from what might be in the everyday grinder.

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      • #4
        Re: Sunbeam EM0480, Review

        Why not a doser?

        I dose through the chamber as I grind.
        That means grind only enough for my current need (usually one double shot).
        The dosing action helps break up any clumping and the dosing chamber keeps the mess contained.

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        • #5
          Re: Sunbeam EM0480, Review

          Lawrence,

          A quality grinder is certainly invaluable in making great coffee..... but at the rate you are going up in models..... you will soon be looking at a Mazzer robur.... a VERY fine grinder (about the best you can get) ;D

          Re doser Vs doserless..... there is a lot of debate on this issue.

          I prefer a doser model and I dose through the doser ( a technique taught to me at the professional machine coffee course)...

          You grind the beans as you need them.... and operate the doser at the same time. The doser stirs up the grinds as it rotates - breaking up any lumps - and drops them into the PF.... it is supposed to give more even and uniform distribution into the basket. You dont leave any grinds in the doser using that technique....

          And when I do a large number of coffees - all at the same time - I use the doser as intended.

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          • #6
            Re: Sunbeam EM0480, Review

            Why not a doser?

            I am quite new to the coffee world and have simply been absorbing peoples opinions in this forum and taking their word for it at full face value.

            My need is for a grinder that will be used at home, and to make maybe two cups of coffee every morning.  I may make more coffee if Im entertaining people on the weekends, so the usage model is no where near the volumes that a commercial cafe would go through.

            From what Ive read on this forum, doserless would be the way to go for people like me because there is much less wastage.  With a doser system, Id basically be grinding more coffee than I need, simply to fill the doser, and then itll be stale and Id have to dispose of the stale grind.

            Hence Ive steered myself down the path of doserless.


            :P

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            • #7
              Re: Sunbeam EM0480, Review

              Originally posted by tempestv8 link=1138058473/240#243 date=1176295083
              Why not a doser?


              From what Ive read on this forum, doserless would be the way to go for people like me because there is much less wastage. With a doser system, Id basically be grinding more coffee than I need, simply to fill the doser, and then itll be stale and Id have to dispose of the stale grind.

              Hence Ive steered myself down the path of doserless.
              :P
              Lawrence,

              You dont use any more coffee (waste any) using a doser or a doserless because using the dose through technique no grinds remain in the doser.... So no stale grinds, no waste, the clumps are broken up and less scattered grinds than with a doserless.....

              IMHO a doser version has some advantages - and no disadvantages (other than costing slightly more)....

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              • #8
                Suggestions for best espresso grinder for home use

                OK, I have to start a new thread, so you guys and gals can help me make up my mind what I should go for.

                Ive been looking at various grinders, and some are doser and others are doserless.

                Heres my requirements - I need a premium grinder to get the best possible results out of my Sunbeam EM6910 machine.  Basically Im prepared to pay reasonable dollars for a good machine that will last me a long time, and one where I dont need to upgrade in the next few years.

                My main areas of concern are:

                1.  No internal plastic bits in the grinding mechanism which could lead to movement of the grinding burrs, causing grinding inconsistencies (e.g. SunBeam EM0480 inconsistencies)

                2.  Need to be able to grind for espresso, i.e. very fine

                3.  Need to dispense the coffee grind cleanly and not get easily blocked

                4.  As little wastage as possible of trapped grinds/beans

                5.  As small a hopper as possible (so beans are kept fresh)

                6.  Near as possible to stepless adjustment, or very fine increments

                7.  Little or no static problems with fine ground, e.g. clumping

                8.  Not more than AUD$700 or thereabouts

                9.  As little mess as possible



                Is this a very tall order?  I hope not.   :

                Im keen to know if there is a doser or doserless model that meets this requirement.  





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                • #9
                  Re: Doser vs doserless grinders

                  Lawrence,

                  You dont have to fill the doser.

                  And I re-read your list so will also say to point 5 - you dont have to fill the hopper.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Doser vs doserless grinders

                    Originally posted by tempestv8 link=1176295666/0#0 date=1176295666
                    OK, I have to start a new thread, so you guys and gals can help me make up my mind what I should go for.

                    Ive been looking at various grinders, and some are doser and others are doserless.

                    Heres my requirements - I need a premium grinder to get the best possible results out of my Sunbeam EM6910 machine.  Basically Im prepared to pay reasonable dollars for a good machine that will last me a long time, and one where I dont need to upgrade in the next few years.

                    My main areas of concern are:

                    1.  No internal plastic bits in the grinding mechanism which could lead to movement of the grinding burrs, causing grinding inconsistencies (e.g. SunBeam EM0480 inconsistencies)

                    2.  Need to be able to grind for espresso, i.e. very fine

                    3.  Need to dispense the coffee grind cleanly and not get easily blocked

                    4.  As little wastage as possible of trapped grinds/beans

                    5.  As small a hopper as possible (so beans are kept fresh)

                    6.  Near as possible to stepless adjustment, or very fine increments

                    7.  Little or no static problems with fine ground, e.g. clumping

                    8.  Not more than AUD$700 or thereabouts

                    9.  As little mess as possible



                    Is this a very tall order?  I hope not.   :

                    Im keen to know if there is a doser or doserless model that meets this requirement.  
                    My suggestions in order of preference:
                    Mazzer Robur/Compak K10WBC... $2k and more ...now, being realistic...

                    Mazzer mini-manual or Macap M5- both RRP circa $700 and terrific (everyone wants one  8-)) Mazzer extremely difficult to find but I actually think that the Macap micrometric has the edge over the Mazzer now....
                    Compak K3 Elite ($630)
                    ECM Best ($800) -good but you pay big time for bling and a small footprint/ Macap MC4 ($700 ish)
                    Then: Compak K3 Touch ($569)
                    Rancilio Rocky doserless ($450 ish)
                    Iberital Challenge doserless (circa $300)

                    I am still personally irritated by doserless. Please feel free to call and Ill run you through pros and cons as I see them and remember, EVERY grinder/machine is a set of compromises...Choose the set that best suits you...

                    2mcm

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                    • #11
                      Re: Doser vs doserless grinders

                      Thanks for the clarification, guys!

                      I had originally discounted the doser models because I had assumed that the doser mechanism needs to have a reasonable amount of grind in it to work properly, and if I was only grinding enough for a double, it wouldnt empty properly.

                      So now the threads title should really be - "which is the best possible home grinder, not doser vs doserless" as thats an entirely different discussion altogether.

                      I have changed the title of the thread so that it matches what Im asking (was previously titled doser vs doserless)

                      Thanks to the mods for grafting this conversation away from the EM0480 thread and tacking it onto this thread.  Much easier for others to follow the discussion. Three cheers to the mods!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Suggestions for best espresso grinder for home

                        Gday Chris,

                        I tried ringing you on the batphone yesterday and also on the office phone but they both when to voicemail, so Ill try again perhaps today when I get a chance.

                        I notice with some interest that on a different thread you mentioned in passing about "a doserless ECM best (strictly confidential of course)" that is imminent. So Ill just not mention it on any public forums, as mums the word! ;D

                        This morning, I made a cuppa for the missus with grind that I bought a couple of days ago. SWMBO said that it didnt taste as good as the first time I made it. Hehe, that was my opening line to suggest that we *MUST* have a grinder to get the best tasting coffee possible.

                        If I can get the finance minister to agree, Im sure there will be a nice grinder on my benchtop before long!






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                        • #13
                          Re: Suggestions for best espresso grinder for home

                          Apols Lawrance- I must have been with clients- it was a pretty busy day....Leave a message and Ill return your call ;-)

                          Chris

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                          • #14
                            Re: Suggestions for best espresso grinder for home

                            its been a while since i have posted... works been too busy. but i digress....

                            i went from an em0480 to a mazzer mini doser. the doserless gave too much mess, even with a cup to catch the stray grinds, and when making more than 1 coffee, it ended up taking way to long...

                            so dont discount the doser... i only grind what i need, have managed to have it down pat to start the grinder, go to the fridge, get the milk then off goes the grinder. the perfect amount for a double....

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                            • #15
                              Re: Suggestions for best espresso grinder for home

                              Thanks Krusty.

                              Im now thinking that its probably best to gow ith a top of the line grinder to get the best possible coffee. That means mega $$$, but probably worth it long run.

                              I found a good review on the Mazzer vs the Macap here:

                              http://www.home-barista.com/feature-spotlight-grinders.html

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