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  • #31
    Thanks noidle22.... don't ya just love it !

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    • #32
      As the silly season seems to be early this year I might as well join in.

      As I said earlier.


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      • #33
        Originally posted by Yelta View Post
        As the silly season seems to be early this year I might as well join in.

        As I said earlier.


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        Yelta is that a picture of the OP?.....????

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Gavisconi007 View Post
          Yelta is that a picture of the OP?.....????
          See post 28 Gavisconi.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Yelta View Post
            See post 28 Gavisconi.
            Yeah I know....but I was kinda thinking it might have hit the wall well before #28. LOL

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Gavisconi007 View Post
              Yeah I know....but I was kinda thinking it might have hit the wall well before #28. LOL
              The occupant of the vehicle couldn't be identified.

              Yep, ya gotta have a sense of humour.

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              • #37
                The last time the thread topic was addressed with any seriousness was in post 21 by MWCalder.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Yelta View Post
                  The last time the thread topic was addressed with any seriousness was in post 21 by MWCalder.

                  In that case MWCalder needs a rap over the knuckles......LOL

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                  • #39
                    I know we are not supposed to post links but...

                    Espresso Veloce Serie Titanio V12 od

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Grummer View Post
                      how far is this?, how close? more or less important?
                      what irradiate me is i find many discussion says a Mazzer Mini is a good all rounder, then other threads says its dosser are a real nuisance because it is a "Pro-oriented accessory part of the grinder for a busy cafe environment"...while its all true, and its convenience are a sometime a welcome feature that works for some...that operating word some is something of a condition requiring a particular prerequisite of a kitchen or bar set up at the home...

                      then its said...theres debates of dosser/dosserless, a variety of switch layouts, throat size, chute size, and obstructions and so forth, in addition 'fixes' which are varied and sometimes difficult to find as some are buried so depth into different forums, some places are not even coffee-related, such as computer gamers or hospitality/trade related.

                      to cut the chase, why are many discourage to go past the Mazzer mini or Super Jolly, when there are at least two dozens more options, granted some have timers, or electronic dossers or bigger burrs or that their gearing mechanisms claims to be 'special'

                      then...its like saying your 'fancy' commodore with an add-on of a rear boot mounted spoilers with an engine making 20% more power than stock is going to benefit or need tyres thats are costing 2 to 4x more than ordinary width, softness of its rubber. Even so we know, its doesn't end there, tyres can go extra wider with fenders made wider, and then some houses bigger diffs and shafts, changing the game again....

                      what it is, is that you'd get car fanatics saying those tyres are not needed, but essential for the track, and then there is street-stock class of racing using almost road tyres

                      sound familiar? As with coffee grinders, its like we all seem to justify something or is it some of us are hiding unfounded misguided beliefs or something (else)

                      now come back to the question, if a Mazzer Mini or a Macap M4D or MC4 or Super Jolly is more than what we use or demand, then the paradox springs back up, why then it's so important or it isn't That important when you can get a Kony, or Nino or even a used Ditting.

                      That kind of double standard is intriguing
                      comments anyone?
                      Hi Grummer

                      Just to return this thread to sanity & answer your questions.

                      The grinder is far more important than anywhere further down the chain for one simple reason. The maximum quality is "locked in" by each stage, so the next stage is limited by whatever snafu / brilliance has preceded it. Look up the Italian 4 "M"'s. In "chain order" English, where there is an "M" prob:-

                      1) Dud beans: no hope of a decent cuppa.
                      2) Dud grinder: no hope of a decent cuppa.
                      3) Dud machine: can use all manner of devices to get something drinkable, even if it is not an espresso, although a loss of quality may be incurred. Plungers, Ibriks, aeropress etc to the rescue (even saucepans).
                      4) Dud "barista": probably no hope of a decent cuppa. Even after I ground, dosed and tamped the p/f, my 220V GS3 in the hands of an amiable idiot produced a cuppa inferior to Pablo Instant...

                      The next question is "How good does each part of the chain have to be in order for the next stage to work properly?". Ongoing debate.

                      Instead of posting new threads and trying to pick everyone's brains, please do a little basic research:
                      CoffeeGeek - How to Buy an Espresso Machine
                      [new members] Recommended reading - Read Me • Home-Barista.com
                      will save you a lot of flaming. Your first CS threads will always be politely answered, after that: you can see what happens for yourself!

                      TampIt
                      PS: The CG guide was updated in 2010, the Vario gen2 is another huge step up for domestic CSrs IMO.

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