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  • kbc
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    Congrats Davie !

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  • Davie
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    Update. Found a used Kony and went for it. Got it for a bargain and have spent all day cleaning it up. I ran one shot through it and just used the setting it was on and the shot was perfect, way better than I got with the mini.
    Unfortunately I ran out of beans and will now have to wait until next weekend now to "play".
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  • moreCoffee
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    I've had a Kony-E for around 9 months and in my setup grind retention is an absolute non-issue. In fact I reckon I'm wasting far less coffee as it's so damn easy to dial-in a new bean, seems to have a larger sweet spot than any other grinder I've owned. Haven't made any mods, extremely happy with stock config.

    Previous grinder was a SJ-E and the improvement in all areas is more than worth the jump in price IMO.

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  • _moby_
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    Davie

    Towards the end of last year I was considering going to a Kony, but after checking out some options went for a Mythos One. The deciding factors for me were that there is virtually no mess at all, very little grind retention, incredible consistency and quality of grind. Certainly an excellent upgrade from my M4D. It's a bit pricier than the Kony, but a mate and I got a package deal from a site sponsor and I'm more than happy.

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  • TC
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    Originally posted by Pauly404 View Post
    I'm about to make the move to a conical.
    Seems to me that the Kony, K10 and M7D are all close enough in performance. I'm leaning towards the M7D to save a few $
    Hi Pauly.

    The K10 and M7D are both much quicker than a Kony- but all are plenty quick enough for home espresso.

    They're all great and I have no doubt you will love whichever you ultimately choose.

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  • kbc
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    I'm about to make the move to a conical.
    Seems to me that the Kony, K10 and M7D are all close enough in performance. I'm leaning towards the M7D to save a few $

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  • TC
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    Originally posted by htb View Post
    I had a mini e with supper jolly burrs...
    Me too. We built one out of curiosity after reading the chatter about this mod. It suffered from stall at up to 20% of grind attempts and the SJ burrs had to go.

    I still consider the mini-e to be one of the worst bang for buck grinders on the market. They're a long way from a favourite of mine.
    Last edited by TC; 17 February 2016, 03:26 AM.

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  • htb
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    I am sure a kony or similar would be an improvement but I am not sure the grinder is the problem. I had a mini e with supper jolly burrs and made better coffees then most cafes.

    Also I would look at other grinders apart from the mazzer. If I was going large conical I would probably get the compak however I would actually go large flat burr if I was in the market (e.g Mythos One or mahlkonig peak).

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  • magnafunk
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    Originally posted by Davie View Post
    At least with the Kony I wouldn't need to worry about upgrading again
    I'm sure you'll find a reason

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  • dumiya
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    They are using Roburs and La Marzocco's.
    i find that I can't get to the normal "bliss" shot that our local coffee folk produce every morning with the same set up. I also note that of two places near each other (Cottesloe WA) same name, same set up, same beans one is always better even though the baristas swap over. I don't know how one machine is just so much better. That said I like my (modified) Kony-e and love it's even clumpless grinds. Every now and then I get very close, even so all my coffee is better than most normal places round about.

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  • LeroyC
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    I have no experience with large conicals, however speaking in general terms I'd say that the Lido would be a good choice. There's a chance that it might not be the grinder that's the issue here. So starting a trial so to speak with a cheaper option that is easily on sold lowers the risk a bit. It's what I'd be doing if I was in this situation.

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  • Davie
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    Originally posted by samuellaw178 View Post
    I don't think the grinder will make that much of a difference especially in milk drinks. I'm all for big conical grinders and that the taste difference is noticable to me, but I do drink my coffee as short black. Adding milk, sugar etc though, will most likely cover the subtle differences.

    Are you using/comparing the same beans? You might want to replicate their recipe (talk to the barista). What you ultimately want to know - what's their coffee dose, how much output in how many seconds, temperature, diluted with how much milk etc.

    Also, do they mix a little milk with the crema (before pouring all the milk), how much foam do they stretch to with the milk etc? All these workflow details are minor but I find them make a much bigger difference to the taste than the grinder itself.
    I have tried following their same"recipe". I had a good chat a while back with one of the barista's about temp, bean quantity, and time. This was back when they were running Synesso's. I use their espresso blend, which is the same as those they use.

    Anyone with a Kony could you measure the height with standard hopper for me. I've seen measurements of 630mm or 650mm. My cabinet is 660 mm, so it has to be able to fit under that. (The hopper would sit half under so I can still get the beans in)

    I think I am now considering either large conical or the Lido. At least with the Kony I wouldn't need to worry about upgrading again

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  • samuellaw178
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    I don't think the grinder will make that much of a difference especially in milk drinks. I'm all for big conical grinders and that the taste difference is noticable to me, but I do drink my coffee as short black. Adding milk, sugar etc though, will most likely cover the subtle differences.

    Are you using/comparing the same beans? You might want to replicate their recipe (talk to the barista). What you ultimately want to know - what's their coffee dose, how much output in how many seconds, temperature, diluted with how much milk etc.

    Also, do they mix a little milk with the crema (before pouring all the milk), how much foam do they stretch to with the milk etc? All these workflow details are minor but I find them make a much bigger difference to the taste than the grinder itself.
    Last edited by samuellaw178; 15 February 2016, 02:10 PM.

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  • DesigningByCoffee
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    Originally posted by Dimal View Post
    400% of nothing is.... Nothing
    Sorry, couldn't help it...

    Mal.
    Hmmm - got me scratching there Mal! Must be Monday morning!
    Guess what I meant was 400% retention for a 20g shot - so 80g retained in the Robur?
    Guess my dreams of astro-physics are now dashed once and for all! Good ole 2unit general maths

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  • Davie
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    Thanks everyone for your input.

    I mainly drink milk based - lattes/flat whites and short macs. I do notice the taste difference even when I order a latte at the café to what I can make at home. I think the taste difference is mainly in the milk/Crema, almost more nutty in flavour.
    It is good to hear that the Lido is on par in terms of taste to the Robur/large conical's. As many of suggested, for the price it is a good way to gauge the difference in taste between conical and flat bur.

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