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  • #16
    Originally posted by K_Bean_Coffee
    My understanding was that a more consistent grind is one of the major benefits of a conical. The Titan grinder project is my source.
    I'm happy to be proven wrong/learn. What's your source Steve?
    Thanks
    Consistency of what? how the grounds are delivered? clumping? taste? TGP is getting quite outdated. There are many grinders big and small that perform very consistently, a lot depends on the user.

    My post was not about consistency of function, it was about variance of grind particle SIZE and DISTRIBUTION of those different sizes. It is not about one being " better " than the other, it is about different types of equipment producing different things for different purposes.

    My sources are varied, other forums, various high profile coffee pros like Perger, Socratic Coffee and of course actually testing lots of different grinders over 1000s of roasts / experimenting with different profiles and extraction techniques, like in the Rafino thread sieving out / selecting certain size of grind particles to achieve certain things.
    Tasting and conversing with real people who are using different equipment to produce different styles of coffee.

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    • #17
      Cited source material would not only be interesting but it would allow others to make decisions based on what is important to them...

      Mal.

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      • #18
        Unless you are making multiple coffees at one time, then a manual grinder will get you large burrs (conical if you want), very slow, cool grinding, and save you $thousands.

        Greg

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        • #19
          Originally posted by K_Bean_Coffee
          IMO the ECM Synchronika deserves a big conical Any of the big conicals will do a great job.

          If you haven't already done so, read "the Titan Grinder Project"
          Sorry Paul. I'm calling sales pitch on that one. In my opinion, what a purchaser of any machine needs is the right grinder for their requirements and budget.

          Titan grinder project?

          Meh...Rubbish when it was published and the rubbish certainly didn't compress into diamonds. Only methane resulted.

          No doubt that planar delivers more consistent grind size. You only have to look at it. At the warehouse we have a Compak E10 beside a Rocket Fausto. When dosed identically to deliver an identical pour, the E10 looks much coarser than the Fausto. No sieve required. Regardless, I'll take the E10 for black and I like what both of them do under milk.

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          • #20
            All I can add is to reiterate what others have said re. trying before purchasing. I personally own both conical and flat burr and am having this battle at the moment as my wife won't let me keep both. The difference in taste is actually quite pronounced in my opinion but I don't think one is 'better' than other...... Simply different.
            FWIW I'm leaning towards selling my conical at this stage. I like the flavour result of the conical more than flat burr but the $$$ I would get on a sale of it outweigh this currently (to fund upgrade from Silvia)...... Ask me tomorrow and I may give you a different answer though.....

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            • #21
              I'll second skidquinn's comment. I own a Mythos and a Kony, when I first bought the mythos I had them both sitting next to each other and yes there is a difference in flavour but they were both still great!

              The Kony is now getting dusty and been kicked off the bench. The only reason is that I am constantly roasting different beans to different profiles and the fact that I can change beans and only need to purge a pinch of beans, maybe 6-10 beans. Also same goes when changing the grind, I only need to waste a few grams of coffee before I see the change in the portafilter.

              Functionality wise I think the Mythos belts every grinder out of the park with the retention issue addressed. Still don't forget the buck stops at the person making the coffee not so much the equipment, I've had many miserable shots on the absolute pinnacle of equipment (Slayers, Strada, Synesso etc) with a large majority of the blame going onto the barista. I can still pull amazing shots from my Mazzer Mini or even Breville smart grinder but as I said the fact there's bigger all retention is the win for me.

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              • #22
                The Mythos is a great grinder. Probably what I will get next. I was holding out to try the peak but after seeing the Australian price will give it a miss.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by brendogs View Post
                  I'll second skidquinn's comment. I own a Mythos and a Kony, when I first bought the mythos I had them both sitting next to each other and yes there is a difference in flavour but they were both still great!

                  The Kony is now getting dusty and been kicked off the bench. The only reason is that I am constantly roasting different beans to different profiles and the fact that I can change beans and only need to purge a pinch of beans, maybe 6-10 beans. Also same goes when changing the grind, I only need to waste a few grams of coffee before I see the change in the portafilter.

                  Functionality wise I think the Mythos belts every grinder out of the park with the retention issue addressed. Still don't forget the buck stops at the person making the coffee not so much the equipment, I've had many miserable shots on the absolute pinnacle of equipment (Slayers, Strada, Synesso etc) with a large majority of the blame going onto the barista. I can still pull amazing shots from my Mazzer Mini or even Breville smart grinder but as I said the fact there's bigger all retention is the win for me.


                  Brendogs- I can take that nasty old dust collecting Kony off your hands if it would be of assistance!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by brendogs View Post
                    . Still don't forget the buck stops at the person making the coffee not so much the equipment, I've had many miserable shots on the absolute pinnacle of equipment (Slayers, Strada, Synesso etc) with a large majority of the blame going onto the barista.

                    Yes I see that most McCafes use Mythos grinders now and it certainly doesn't help them turn out anything other than pure garbage. Quality coffee and a competent operator are still the two most important variables.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
                      Sorry Paul. I'm calling sales pitch on that one. In my opinion, what a purchaser of any machine needs is the right grinder for their requirements and budget.

                      Titan grinder project?

                      Meh...Rubbish when it was published and the rubbish certainly didn't compress into diamonds. Only methane resulted.

                      Regardless, I'll take the E10 for black
                      So basically, you are saying you prefer a conical?

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                      • #26
                        Folks- I'm not seeing many top end roasters offering flat burr grinders with their sales contracts. I had assumed that was because conical gives superior taste. If they dont why do the roasting companies fork out the extra cash for conicals? Just curious

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by tobeanornottobean View Post
                          So basically, you are saying you prefer a conical?
                          Yes I do, but not necessarily under milk... That would have been obvious had you chosen to quote the entire sentence.

                          I like what they both do and am fortunate to have the opportunity to choose when I'm at work....and I do depending on whim, the day of week and which way the wind is blowing.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
                            Yes I do, but not necessarily under milk... That would have been obvious had you chosen to quote the entire sentence.

                            I like what they both do and am fortunate to have the opportunity to choose when I'm at work....and I do depending on whim, the day of week and which way the wind is blowing.
                            The point being it sounds a lot less like sales pitch when you yourself prefer a conical, albeit for black coffee.

                            The fact that it is hard/er to tell the difference under milk is almost a moot point wouldn't you say? Thus why I didn't see any need to include it here...

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by tobeanornottobean View Post
                              The point being it sounds a lot less like sales pitch when you yourself prefer a conical, albeit for black coffee.
                              Here's my sales pitch..

                              Originally posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
                              In my opinion, what a purchaser of any machine needs is the right grinder for their requirements and budget.
                              ...the point being that I don't try to push large expensive conicals onto those who patently neither need nor want them.

                              My interest is in providing potential purchasers with pros and cons to allow them to make their own choices. For those wanting a sales pitch, I refer them to their local car yard.

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                              • #30
                                The EG-1 is another option, EG-1 | LWW

                                Personally I suspect burr alignment often plays a greater part in the end result in the cup than the differences between flat and conical burrs.

                                Our scientific understanding of what goes on in the coffee making process continues to develop and challenge the assumptions various experts have made about all the elements that go into a great cup of coffee. We used to think fines were the enemy, certain baristas even sieved out the fines, now research suggests the fines are the key to great coffee!

                                If you really find money is no object then the Titus is your grinder, they run from about US $5K-$10K depending on finish! Titus-Grinding Highend Kaffee- und Espressomhlen You can find a few threads and images about the Titus if you use a bit of google fu.

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